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[Pete Zicato]

What part of "no mass shootings" are you having problems with?

I have no illusions that that gun control will make life perfect and we'll have double rainbows every day. There will still be guns of some sort and we'll continue to have gun crime.

But obviously, Australia has reduced mass shootings. That's worth a lot right there.

And don't think I didn't notice that you went from NRA talking points to quoting a right-wing mouthpiece. You really need to get out more.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

What part of "no mass shootings" are you having problems with?

I have no illusions that that gun control will make life perfect and we'll have double rainbows every day. There will still be guns of some sort and we'll continue to have gun crime.

But obviously, Australia has reduced mass shootings. That's worth a lot right there.

And don't think I didn't notice that you went from NRA talking points to quoting a right-wing mouthpiece. You really need to get out more.

Brevik shot over 60 children, in a country that has a long history of gun control, (compared to say, Australia which has a very short history of it).

If you are saying that a very small sample (of time), from one country with gun control is enough to justify a change in our Constitutional Bill of Rights, then I can say the opposite, with years when the US did not have any mass shootings.

Who cares WHERE the stats came from? Stats are stats. Australia's violent crime did not decrease as a result of gun control, as much as the US did, without it.

[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by Adak

Brevik shot over 60 children, in a country that has a long history of gun control, (compared to say, Australia which has a very short history of it).

And when was the previous mass shooting in Norway - all the other mass shootings they must have had because of their gun control laws?

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

And when was the previous mass shooting in Norway - all the other mass shootings they must have had because of their gun control laws?

I'm not saying that gun laws promote mass shootings, or that Norwegians are nearly as prone to gun violence as Americans are.

What I AM saying is, your gun control laws will not stop a gun massacre - or murders, etc. Criminals can get guns, and they don't give a hot damn about breaking gun control laws, to get them.

Chicago has the toughest gun control laws in the country, (New York city is described as the second toughest). But Chicago is the murder capital of the US - 513 murders in 2012, and currently at a slightly higher rate so far in 2013. A lot of it is being done by gangs, and they are mostly using -- you guessed it -- illegal guns!

If gun control laws worked, then having a discussion about tightening those laws, MIGHT make sense. But they don't, and the Obama administration is NOT enforcing the gun control laws we ALREADY have.

For example - lying on the form you fill out to get a gun, is a federal crime, but the Obama administration is not charging those who do it.
Why? Bush did it. Biden was asked about this by Jim Baker recently and said "we don't have the manpower...". That's odd, because you have MORE manpower than Bush ever had. WTF?

If you're not going to enforce the laws we have already, what good will having a bunch more laws to restrict the freedoms of the good citizens, do?

In America, when someone comes after you to do you harm, there's a good chance they'll have a gun, or some other weapon. When and if that happens, you will pray to God that you have a gun, to help even up the odds.

The idea that gun control laws will keep guns away from criminals, is so insane. I urge you to contact your local police dept. Ask them if it's difficult for criminals to buy an illegal gun in your city. Ask how long it would take to buy this illegal gun, in your city? **

Just ask, it's free!

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