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[sexobon]

If you had said that guns were made to kill, I'd agree with you. Anyone who knows anything about the real world use of guns knows that shooting to wound is Hollywood fantasy. When you say that they can only be used to hunt and kill humans ["His guns only have one purpose. To hunt and kill humans."] you
deny the reality that they can also be used in self defense just as readily as a single shot pistol or a baseball bat.

47 rounds per minute is easily accomplished with just low capacity magazines. A proficient wheelgun shooter can even do it with a 6 shot revolver and speed loaders. Your assertion that the application of the firearm, rather than the purpose for which it was designed, determines whether or not it constitutes an assault weapon is erroneous. It's like saying that an automobile driver who runs someone else over was therefore driving an assault car.

There are whacko extremists on both sides of this issue. Don't be one of them.

[IamSam]

AAAARGH!

Hasn't this thread died yet?

Adam Lanza used a semiautomatic Bushmaster .223 rifle.

Am I the only one around here who fact checks Adak?

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2312818.html

NEWTOWN, Conn. -- Adam Lanza used a semiautomatic Bushmaster .223 rifle during his rampage through Sandy Hook Elementary School on Friday, firing dozens of high-velocity rounds as he killed 20 children and six adults, authorities said Sunday.


http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/19/...in-gun-debate/
When 20-year-old Adam Lanza walked into the Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec. 14, he carried two handguns, several hundred rounds of ammunition and a rifle that has become a flashpoint in the ongoing debate over gun rights in America.
Police say that the 20 children and six adults killed at the school were murdered with a .223 caliber Bushmaster AR-15 rifle.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/us...anted=all&_r=0
But the AR-15 style rifle — the most popular rifle in America, according to gun dealers — was also the weapon of choice for Adam Lanza, who the police said used one made by Bushmaster on Friday to kill 20 young children and six adults in an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., in a massacre that has horrified the nation.


Etc., etc., etc. Hey! Remember Google?

Adak's youtube clip is just that - a cute little snip out of context.

[Griff]

Early reports had the .223 in the trunk of the car and the nutter using the pistols. I haven't been following the spin but the gun folks I hang with give those reports a lot of weight. The other gun industry rumor I hear is that the FedGov already controls the number of rounds manufacturers produce per year so there has been a squeeze in ammo for a while, creating a backdoor control.

[IamSam]

I frequent another, larger board that has a preponderance of right wing users. They went with the "no Bushmaster was used" thing earlier, but now seem resigned to the fact that a semi-automatic was involved in the shootings - if they believe the shootings took place at all.

The entire Sandy Hook thing was a conspiracy. You know that, right? It was all staged so Obama and his Muslim friends could take away our second amendment rights.

So many conspiracy theories, so little time.

[Griff]

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[IamSam]

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Sorry, What?

I did not mean to imply that YOUR post was a conspiracy theory, if that's what you mean. It's just that I have not yet to see a reputable link from a sane person that has a legitimate explanation as to why law enforcement now thinks a Bushmaster was NOT used. If you have one, I'd appreciate you posting it, so I could read it over, myself, and if I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting to it.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Griff

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Last edited by Griff; 02-02-2013 at 11:37 AM. Reason: never mind not putting myself between the nuts again

The Griff giveth and the Griff taketh away.

[IamSam]

Heh! You think that by quoting Griff, you can get me to be polite to YOU, as well? Nice try, Sexter!

I haven't forgotten whatever it was cute little trick you played in that thread in some forum down near the bottom of the Cellar (which is pretty low) about something that everyone thought was EVER so important at some vague time in the past.

Although, including Griff's reason for editing (which I didn't notice when I first read his response) was clever enough.

However, since there's so many nuts around here, here's a few extra nuts to you, since you lack the balls to speak for yourself!

[Adak]

Originally Posted by IamSam

AAAARGH!

Adam Lanza used a semiautomatic Bushmaster .223 rifle.

Unfortunately, the NBC report was the one misinforming.

Thanks for clearing up the confusion, Sam.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

When you say that they can only be used to hunt and kill humans ["His guns only have one purpose. To hunt and kill humans."] you deny the reality that they can also be used in self defense just as readily as a single shot pistol or a baseball bat.

A) If assault weapons are for personal defense, then so are 155 mm howitzers. The obvious conclusion using your logic (rhetoric). What does one really need for defense? A 22 Derringer. Or a shotgun. Why does anyone need NATO gauge weapons? Many adults still think like fearful children. Why did my father so love advertising? (Will you again reply with an extremist cheapshot or this time reply to that actual fact?). Fun is to manipulate those who parrot propaganda. Who can not think for themselves. Propaganda inspires adults who are still children.

B) Why do cops routinely not carry assault rifles? Those most easily manipulated will avoid damning facts. Even cops only need such weapons when adults (who are still children) are hunting other humans. What is the best heavy weapon used by cops? Shotgun. A weapon that will always be legal because it is a weapon of choice among adults who are adults.

A shotgun is too little thrill. So NATO weapons, armor piecing rounds, bazookas, and big clips are needed. Shredding a paper target is a bigger hard-on than putting holes in it. NRA rhetoric targets adults who 'feel' they know.

C) Sexbon's reasoning proves Americans have a right to and need for 155 mm howitzers and grenades. Purpose of assault weapons is only to kill humans. Sexbon et al will recite myths, lies, rhetoric, or advertising to avoid that reality.

Wackos also said civilians need hollow point bullets. Because the NRA said so. No civilian needs hollow point bullets (also called cop killers). Cops are the enemy of extremists. The NRA knows who to brainwash to increase profits. People who know only using emtion.

Even ghettos are now safer because more people carry weapons: using NRA and Sexbon logic.

D) Why did the NRA push through laws that ban government from doing research? NRA must empower the dumbest among us. NRA's greatest fears were found in a CDC study that proved that a homeowner's gun is 43 times more likely to be used on a family member. Demonstrates why a gun is a poor defensive weapon. NRA must keep facts from adults who are adults. So that wackos can justify 3 to 13 bullets in the bodies of 1st graders.

BTW, research also says most human hunters are not mentally unstable. But are emotional; characteristic of an adult who is still a child. Profits are highest among the adults most easily manipulated by emotion and propaganda. NRA propaganda targets adults who 'know' using emotion rather then the prefrontal cortex.

Fun is brainwashing those who are so easily manipulated by emotion and spin.

E) What is the purpose of the NRA? Maximize profits. Nothing else. Also the purpose of the mafia. Maximize profits at expense of everything (everyone) else. NRA must even subvert informed discussion and research. So that lies will prove assault weapons are needed for personal safety.

Sexbon proves why all need hollow point bullets and 155 mm howitzers. Sexbon recited NRA rhetoric. Because that increases industry profits - the NRA's only purpose. NRA targets adults who are most easily brainwashed by rhetoric. Had Sexbon asked a damning question, then he would not be justifying 155 mm howitzers and anti-tank weapons.

F) 47 rounds every minute do not happen when the clip must be repeatedly replaced. Obvious if thinking for yourself - not reciting an NRA lie.

Informed moderates know why the LI Railroad shooter killed so few people. He had to reload. Therefore he was taken out by people using their weapons - hands and feet. The emotional (illogical) need big clips to hunt and kill more poeple. Big clips and assault weapons have no other purpose.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

B) Why do cops routinely not carry assault rifles?

Because they prefer an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.
From the Massachusetts Municipal Police Training Committee’s Basic Firearms Instructor Course.

We have found most officers have difficulty hitting the MPTC Q target with regularity using their service pistol at distances further than the 10 yard line. Now, factor in the stress level of a life and death encounter with rapidly evolving circumstances – the actual hit ratio drops even further. Beyond 15 yards the shotgun with multiple round projectile, may yield more hit potential however the recoil and manual operation of the shotgun has historically proved to be an issue with some Officers. If the load is buck shot, beyond 18 yards the shot spread will begin to exceed the width of the torso. This violates the accountability for all rounds down range rule. The slug round provides the logical alternative with longer range, more accuracy and no shot spread. It also has greater penetration which can be considered both a positive and negative factor when considering its use in urban areas or near thin walled homes. Conversely, the most popular patrol rifle round, the 5.56mm NATO (.223 Remington) will penetrate fewer walls than service pistol rounds or 12 gauge slugs.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Because they prefer an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

Cops are not routinely patroling with AR-15s. Which cop has that weapon? Snipers and SWAP. Armed with assault weapons only when an excessively armed wacko is hunting humans.

Heavy weapon of choice in most situations: shotgun. AR-15 used when cops might go on offense (like a soldier) against a heavily armed and emotional adult. Even a stun gun is a more useful weapon.

All cops are trained in assault weapons. Assault rifle is an offensive weapon. And not used by cops for patrolling. We need all cops trained in AR-15 due to a violent world desired by the NRA - to increase industry profits.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You're out of touch, tw. Police departments all over the country are making up budget shortfalls by taking Homeland Security money to train in counter-terrorist tactics, and equipping cops with AR-15's and body armor. They're not swat teams, regular cops. They don't walk around with that gear but it's in the trunk of the cruiser.

Portland.,Washington, DC , San Diego, to name a few.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They're not swat teams, regular cops. They don't walk around with that gear but it's in the trunk of the cruiser.

No cop patrols with AR-15s. He patrols with a 9 mm and stun gun.

If any department has not trained every officer with AR-15s, then we must fired his town council. Being trained in an AR-15 does not mean cops patrol with those weapons. Locked in the trunk means he is patroling with lesser weapons.

Why in the trunk? So that a cop can eventually convert from being a patrol officer to being a sniper or SWAP team member. Necessary when an extremist adult (who is still a child) is hunting humans.

BTW, only some patrol cars have AR-15s in the trunk. Many if not most do not.

What heavy weapon is locked on the dash or in the trunk of most every cop car? Shotgun. Because even a shotgun is not needed during most patrols.

All cops are trained in AR-15 because the NRA and too many extremists want assault weapons and armor piecing bullets. That does not mean cops routinely patrol with AR-15s on their holster as you would have us believe.

Just because every cop is trained in AR-15s does not mean all cops patrol the streets with AR-15s. How often do you see the beat cop patrolling with an AR-15 in his hands?

[IamSam]

Originally Posted by tw

If any department has not trained every officer with AR-15s, then they must fire upon their town council.

Fixed that for you.

(Sorry, couldn't resist. )