Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

[classicman]

I wonder which Asst Principal it was - Miguel Rodriguez or Kim Lemos

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Flint

Quick reality check: an "act such as this" refers to what?

You didn't answer the question. Again, you said:

I do know places where an act such of this would have resorted in violence and could have brought other students into this as well.

What is the "act" that you refer to? I think it is important to the realization of a fully formed idea that it's constituent parts can be specified. I propose, unless you have some additional points that you have not brought forward, that you are referring to the act of thoughtcrime.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

We don't know. But from my personal experience, the only people that would think about wearing an American flag during Cinco de Mayo, in a school with a large Hispanic population, then get all defensive about it, are more towards the racist side.

Your position assumes that you can speak to the internal disposition of an individual, to "see" the bad intent "inside" them.

Again, you can't take action simply because you think someone is being a dick. There has to be a tangible offense.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by classicman

I don't believe that at all. This has PC written all over it and its bullshit.

Do you have anything backing that up or is it just that you want to believe that it is PC bullshit? I personally know of schools where students would have resorted to violence or something else that would have made the situation worse. Does that mean every situation is like that? No. But as we both admit, we have no idea.

I don't really care that much and if you want to agree to disagree thats fine but my point is that there are schools where this would be a legitimate safety issue so its not that outlandish that this is not about political correctness.

Originally Posted by classicman

And we don't know anything about the other kids, except they are "Mexican Americans." Are they into human trafficing. prostitution, drugs gun running??? We don't know squat about either side.

Of course we don't. Thats why I never made a definite statement. This could be political correct bullshit or it could be a legitimate safety concern.

Originally Posted by classicman

To call these kids out for wearing the US flag on their shirts IN THE US because its another country's holiday is complete and utter BS. That guy should be fired - that is the appropriate action.

Fire a guy every time an administrator makes controversial decision? That's laughable. C'mon, this guy probably would have taken shit no matter what he did. If he let the guys wear the shirt he would have been called culturally insensitive and is not fit to work at school with a large amount of students of Mexican ethnicity.

Originally Posted by Flint

What is the "act" that you refer to? I think it is important to the realization of a fully formed idea that it's constituent parts can be specified. I propose, unless you have some additional points that you have not brought forward, that you are referring to the act of thoughtcrime.

I realize this is "thoughtcrime" or whatever and I will say this again. I am not offended by it and disagree with those who will resort to violence because of it. But, it does happen. Thats one reason why I don't disagree with the school's decision s to make the kids take off their shirts. If it was another situation, I would be on your side of the argument.

Originally Posted by Flint

Again, you can't take action simply because you think someone is being a dick. There has to be a tangible offense.

That is not my position. I purposely mentioned that I am not offended by the action. My position is the there is a possibility that the action of wearing a shirt and bandanna with an American flag on it on Cinco de Mayo (is that the answer you were looking for?) could lead to violence and administrators possibility made the decision to avoid violence in their school, which would negatively affect students.

I will say this once again. I am willing to accept that it is political correct bullshit my stance is that this is not the case. We know nothing about the school so there is no possible way to know which is the case.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Do you have anything backing that up or is it just that you want to believe that it is PC bullshit? I personally know of schools where students would have resorted to violence or something else that would have made the situation worse. Does that mean every situation is like that? No. But as we both admit, we have no idea.

I don't really care that much and if you want to agree to disagree thats fine but my point is that there are schools where this would be a legitimate safety issue so its not that outlandish that this is not about political correctness.

Of course we don't. Thats why I never made a definite statement. This could be political correct bullshit or it could be a legitimate safety concern.

Fire a guy every time an administrator makes controversial decision? That's laughable. C'mon, this guy probably would have taken shit no matter what he did. If he let the guys wear the shirt he would have been called culturally insensitive and is not fit to work at school with a large amount of students of Mexican ethnicity.

I realize this is "thoughtcrime" or whatever and I will say this again. I am not offended by it and disagree with those who will resort to violence because of it. But, it does happen. Thats one reason why I don't disagree with the school's decision s to make the kids take off their shirts. If it was another situation, I would be on your side of the argument.

That is not my position. I purposely mentioned that I am not offended by the action. My position is the there is a possibility that the action of wearing a shirt and bandanna with an American flag on it on Cinco de Mayo (is that the answer you were looking for?) could lead to violence and administrators possibility made the decision to avoid violence in their school, which would negatively affect students.

I will say this once again. I am willing to accept that it is political correct bullshit my stance is that this is not the case. We know nothing about the school so there is no possible way to know which is the case.

I agree with you.

IMO, without knowing all the facts or circumstances, this was 5 kids who acted collectively to make a statement on a day they knew might be provocative.

Did the school admin over-react? Perhaps. Is there over-reaction on the side? Perhaps. (Sue the school? On what grounds?)

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

If he let the guys wear the shirt he would have been called culturally insensitive and is not fit to work at school with a large amount of students of Mexican ethnicity.

Well it's high time these fuckers decide whether they are mexicans or Americans.
Oh, and no hyphenated bullshit, get off the fucking fence.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Yes it did.




Depends on the situation. We have no idea who these kids are or how they act. I am probably biased, but I have a feeling these kids are like the kids at my school who drove around with a Confederate flag on their car during Martin Luther King Day.....in Wisconsin.

If these kids just happened to wear a shirt or bandanna with the American flag on it, then the school should have handled it better.

If the kids wore it as a big fuck you to the Mexican American population, which I am assuming it was, then I completely agree with the school's decision. It isn't ideal, but putting myself in their place, I would rather force someone to change their shirt then deal with some race related fights, which I know happen at other places.

None of that matters and none of that should have played into a decision by the powers that be to ban students of their First Amendment Rights. Fuck who ever disagrees with them. Isn't that the new norm?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

None of that matters and none of that should have played into a decision by the powers that be to ban students of their First Amendment Rights. Fuck who ever disagrees with them. Isn't that the new norm?

First Amendment rights?

Another over reaction, IMO.

Minors have never had absolute First Amendment rights, particularly in a school environment.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

First Amendment rights?

Another over reaction, IMO.

Minors have never had absolute First Amendment rights, particularly in a school environment.

Why would you prevent minors from having the same rights as illegal aliens?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Why would you prevent minors from having the same rights as illegal aliens?

This is not a First Amendment issue. You can find school policies and practices in any school in the country that limit the "rights" of students.

Minors do not have an absolute right to freedom of expression. They cant legally express themselves by smoking, driving, etc.......

[classicman]

Since thats the new rule, I pronounce on the 4th of July all "hyphenated-Americans" cannot wear, nor show the pride of the country from which they came... All flags must be taken down and all apparel, toilet paper, buttons bumper stickers ect. must be removed or covered for the entire day. But remember thats racist.
Yes I am taking this point to an extreme, but is there really a difference?

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Well it's high time these fuckers decide whether they are mexicans or Americans.
Oh, and no hyphenated bullshit, get off the fucking fence.

Bravo!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

This is not a First Amendment issue. You can find school policies and practices in any school in the country that limit the "rights" of students.

Minors do not have an absolute right to freedom of expression. They cant legally smoke, drive, etc.......

Oh God that is just rich.

BS.

It depends on the state law.

You have been exposed.

You are willing to support Illegal Aliens over legal US Citizens.

Keep digging.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Oh God that is just rich.

BS.

It depends on the state law.

You have been exposed.

You are willing to support Illegal Aliens over legal US Citizens.

Keep digging.

This from the guy who insisted that the Constitution was only for citizens.

When you have a cite that shows that minors, particularly in school settings, have absolute First Amendment rights......please post it.

This might, or might not, have been a bad policy decision by the school. That is a matter of opinion.

It is not a First Amendment issue.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

This from the guy who insisted that the Constitution was only for citizens.

When you have a cite that shows that minors have absolute First Amendment rights......please post it.

Yea, minors are citizens...

Fuck off.

Anyone who is willing to support the rights of Illegals over US Citizens loses in my book.

Have a great day socialist scumbag.

[TheMercenary]

SO a minor gets arrested. Does he have a right to not answer questions and incriminate himself?

[TheMercenary]

SO a thug 16 yr old has no right to Lawyer up?