Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

This is not a First Amendment issue. You can find school policies and practices in any school in the country that limit the "rights" of students.

Minors do not have an absolute right to freedom of expression. They cant legally smoke, drive, etc.......

Oh God that is just rich.

BS.

It depends on the state law.

You have been exposed.

You are willing to support Illegal Aliens over legal US Citizens.

Keep digging.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Oh God that is just rich.

BS.

It depends on the state law.

You have been exposed.

You are willing to support Illegal Aliens over legal US Citizens.

Keep digging.

This from the guy who insisted that the Constitution was only for citizens.

When you have a cite that shows that minors, particularly in school settings, have absolute First Amendment rights......please post it.

This might, or might not, have been a bad policy decision by the school. That is a matter of opinion.

It is not a First Amendment issue.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

This from the guy who insisted that the Constitution was only for citizens.

When you have a cite that shows that minors have absolute First Amendment rights......please post it.

Yea, minors are citizens...

Fuck off.

Anyone who is willing to support the rights of Illegals over US Citizens loses in my book.

Have a great day socialist scumbag.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yea, minors are citizens...

Fuck off.

Anyone who is willing to support the rights of Illegals over US Citizens loses in my book.

Have a great day socialist scumbag.

Name calling doesnt change the facts.

When you have a cite that shows that minors have absolute First Amendment rights, particularly in a school setting......please post it.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

SO a minor gets arrested. Does he have a right to not answer questions and incriminate himself?

SO a thug 16 yr old has no right to Lawyer up?

Neither one are first amendment issues....nor do they apply to rights of expression in a school setting.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

When you have a cite that shows that minors have absolute First Amendment rights, particularly in a school setting......please post it.
Neither one are first amendment issues....nor do they apply to rights of expression in a school setting.

The point is that you hold the "rights" of non-US citzens higher than those of people who are legal citizens.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The point is that you hold the "rights" of non-US citzens higher than those of people who are legal citizens.

Of course, you cant find a cite that shows that minors have absolute First Amendment rights..so its now a different argument.

I favor illegals over citizens.

Nice try, but ignorant of the facts.

The point is that I understand the Constitution and you dont...as has been made evident now in several discussions.

The Constitution is NOT just for citizens as you insisted....and, minors do NOT have absolute First Amendment rights.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Of course, you cant find a cite that shows that minors have absolute First Amendment rights..so its now a different argument.

I favor illegals over citizens.

Nice try, but ignorant of the facts.

The point is that I understand the Constitution and you dont...as has been made evident now in several discussions.

The Constitution is NOT just for citizens as you insisted....and, minors do NOT have absolute First Amendment rights.

You are the same guy who wants to support Constitutional Rights to suspected Terrorists and Enemy Combatants. You fail big time.....

To date the Courts have only allowed LIMITED rights to illegals, Terrorists and Enemy Combatants, the same people you support.

Minors have Rights.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

When you have a cite that shows that minors, particularly in school settings, have absolute First Amendment rights......please post it.


It is not a First Amendment issue.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by pierce

there are schools where this would be a legitimate safety issue

Let's say they were sent home for their own safety, and the safety of others who might be caught up in the fray, when they were attacked in a public school for wearing their country's flag. You're good with this solution?

A day after five Morgan Hill students were sent home for wearing American flag T-shirts, the controversy erupted ten-fold.

Ya. Huge surprise there.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by jinx

Let's say they were sent home for their own safety, and the safety of others who might be caught up in the fray, when they were attacked in a public school for wearing their country's flag. You're good with this solution?

Why should I answer that question if you are going to word it that way. Here is a breakdown of your argument.

You say, "Let's say they were sent home for their own safety, and the safety of others who might be caught up in the fray". I don't know where this comes from. The issue was not that people have to be sent home for protection. The issue is that, for safety reasons, certain clothing should not be worn in schools. And if someone decides to wear that particular clothing, they either have to change or be sent home.

You say, "when they were attacked in a public school for wearing their country's flag." You make this seem innocent. There is reason to believe this is not true. If it was just someone innocently wearing an American flag, then I would agree with your point.


There are a few questions that we do not know that could drastically change the situation.

What was the relationship between these students and the Mexican American student population before May 5th?
Did these students purposely wear the American flag to make a statement against Cinco de Mayo?
How would the Mexican American students react against these students wearing the American Flag on May 5th?

If there was a good relationship or non-existent relationship between these student and the Mexican American student population, the students innocently wore the American flag, and the Mexican American students would not react badly (besides getting offended), then I think the decision was wrong by the school district.

If there was a bad relationship between these students and the Mexican American student population, the students purposely wore the American flag as a fuck you to Cinco de Mayo, and the Mexican American students would react violently to the shirts, then I agree with the school districts decision. Then the fault lies on both the students who wore the clothes and the people who will react violently. They both created this possible violent situation and the school district is attempting to defuse the situation in the easiest way possible.

For me, there is a lot of gray depending on the answers but I do agree that the fault does not solely with the students wearing the clothing no matter the situation. There is a lot of fault if people react violently to something like this. But I do not find fault in a school district that tries to defuse a situation like that. Because if they do not, they will be attacked for not defusing the situation after something possibly happens.

But, there is a clear difference between showing American pride by wearing an American T-shirt and saying fuck you to another culture by wearing an American T-shirt. I agree that it is sad that I have to say that last sentence but that, unfortunately, is how our world works.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

If it was just someone innocently wearing an American flag, then I would agree with your point.

Can you describe the difference between "innocent wearing" and "malicious wearing" and how you can scientifically tell the difference? And...does the subject matter, or WHAT you are wearing have no bearing? I find the fundamental substance of your argument to be patently ridiculous.