Obama's Dog

[sugarpop]

There are some great dogs at shelters, and some of those puppy mills where people breed purebreds are atrocious. I agree classic, there really are too many domesticated animals out there. So many are put to sleep every year, and some of those animals would make perfectly good family pets. I think a lot of it depends on the breed. Too many people see a movie or something with a dog they think is cute, so they buy one without doing any research if that breed is a good match for them. Then they end up in a shelter.

Nirvana, I'm curious, do you think the food industry should not be regulated? I for one am really glad to see more regulation happening, not only for health reasons, but for humane reasons as well. But on the health issue, apparently the cattle industry would kill cows that were so weak and sick they couldn't even stand, and put them out into the food supply. Obama has signed a law now to stop that. ugh. I certainly wouldn't want to eat any of that meat. It's one reason why I never eat read meat anymore, and eat very little meat period. It's sickening what goes on in some of those places.

[Nirvana]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

There are some great dogs at shelters, and some of those puppy mills where people breed purebreds are atrocious. I agree classic, there really are too many domesticated animals out there. So many are put to sleep every year, and some of those animals would make perfectly good family pets. I think a lot of it depends on the breed. Too many people see a movie or something with a dog they think is cute, so they buy one without doing any research if that breed is a good match for them. Then they end up in a shelter.

Nirvana, I'm curious, do you think the food industry should not be regulated? I for one am really glad to see more regulation happening, not only for health reasons, but for humane reasons as well. But on the health issue, apparently the cattle industry would kill cows that were so weak and sick they couldn't even stand, and put them out into the food supply. Obama has signed a law now to stop that. ugh. I certainly wouldn't want to eat any of that meat. It's one reason why I never eat read meat anymore, and eat very little meat period. It's sickening what goes on in some of those places.

There are some great dogs at shelters but lets not blame dog breeders for the dogs that are thrown away by others whether on purpose or thru a bad turn in life.

The food industry is heavily regulated, but having a tax on an animal because it farts is ridiculous. Saying Chickens cannot lay eggs unless you let them wander a pasture while doing it is ridiculous. Obama had nothing to do with the law that was passed in 2003 to stop the use of down cows in any human food product. The reason you saw that on TV after that year was because of a bad PROCESSOR not because of a bad livestock producer. Cows become down for many reasons one of the most common is that an older cow is trampled in the truck on the way to the packer. Most older dairy cows that can no longer produce milk are sold to McDonalds. Cows that cannot stand should not be in the food supply.

[Nirvana]

This is not well known information but all of it is true.


http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downl...hings_HSUS.pdf



http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downl...hings_PETA.pdf

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downl...hings_PCRM.pdf

Don't give away your rights to own animals or eat what you want because you believe the propaganda spread by these organizations. You don't know what you've got til its gone!

[jinx]

People that pay for the specific animal that they want for a pet rarely discard them. Breeders are not the problem, irresponsible people who don't spay/neuter their pets and don't value their pets (free things have little value to anyone) are the problem.

Originally Posted by Nirvana

This is not well known information but all of it is true.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downl...hings_HSUS.pdf


http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downl...hings_PETA.pdf

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downl...hings_PCRM.pdf

Not to defend, PETA, but in fact, very little on these Center for Consumer Freedom "fact sheets" are documented.

The CCF originally was funded by Phillip Morris to refute the scientific findings re: the harmful effects of smoking and the criticism of tobacco advertising.

Later, they expanded their funding sources to include the meat packing industry, alcohol trade organizations (to fight Mothers Against Drunk Driving), restaurants (to refute obesity studies related to fast food restaurants), and numerous right wing organizations.

My advice...dont believe everything you read by PETA OR about PETA and always consider the source.

The CCF, despite its name, is in many respects, an industry(ies) front group and hardly an unbiased source working solely in the consumers' best interest.

[Nirvana]

Since when are livestock and animal breeders right wing organizations?
PETA is your enemy don't say you were not warned.
HSUS is already in your own state's legislature. Ask anyone in Los Angeles where they have mandatory spay and neuter. WhoTH is the government to tell someone when to neuter a pet? I thought that was a veterinarian's job... Who do you think ends up funding the policing of that program?That is just the beginning of unnecessary expensive legislation supported by the HSUS...

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Since when are livestock and animal breeders right wing organizations?
PETA is your enemy don't say you were not warned.
HSUS is already in your own state's legislature. Ask anyone in Los Angeles where they have mandatory spay and neuter. WhoTH is the government to tell someone when to neuter a pet? I thought that was a veterinarian's job... Who do you think ends up funding the policing of that program?That is just the beginning of unnecessary expensive legislation supported by the HSUS...

I said CCF's other funding sources were right wing organizations (like the Scaife Foundation)

Their primary funding sources are:

Tyson Food
Perdue Farms
Wendy's
Applebee's
Outback Steak House
Standard Meats
Armour-Swith Meats
National Restaurant Association
Distilled Spirits Council

Which of these have the "consumer" interest, rather than industry interests, at heart?

[Nirvana]

This is a link to pending legislation in the state of Maine where if you have 1 [ yes 1] intact female adult dog you are considered a breeding kennel. Of course they make exclusions for show kennels, hunting dogs etc except that any extra offspring cannot be sold so that would make someone worse than a pet miller they would be collectors because to breed you would have to keep everything you produce.

2. License fees. The fee for a breeding kennel license is calculated by multiplying the number of adult female dogs and cats at the breeding kennel capable of breeding by $500.

I have a two lb Chihuahua technically under this law I would have to pay $150 for her because technically she is capable of producing offspring and because having one breedable female I am considered a kennel so I would then have to pay $500 but no one in their right mind would breed a 2 lb dog and most veterinarians would not perform surgery on a dog that small when it is not an emergency. These are crazy laws and the HSUS is rushing these things to every state in the union that will listen to their lobbyists.

This is the goal of PETA and the HSUS that no one can breed or own an animal and that the government will take away your rights to have pets of any kind..

http://janus.state.me.us/legis/LawMa...=1&SessionID=8

Originally Posted by Nirvana

This is a link to pending legislation in the state of Maine where if you have 1 [ yes 1] intact female adult dog you are considered a breeding kennel. Of course they make exclusions for show kennels, hunting dogs etc except that any extra offspring cannot be sold so that would make someone worse than a pet miller they would be collectors because to breed you would have to keep everything you produce.

2. License fees. The fee for a breeding kennel license is calculated by multiplying the number of adult female dogs and cats at the breeding kennel capable of breeding by $500.

I have a two lb Chihuahua technically under this law I would have to pay $150 for her because technically she is capable of producing offspring and because having one breedable female I am considered a kennel so I would then have to pay $500 but no one in their right mind would breed a 2 lb dog and most veterinarians would not perform surgery on a dog that small when it is not an emergency. These are crazy laws and the HSUS is rushing these things to every state in the union that will listen to their lobbyists.

This is the goal of PETA and the HSUS that no one can breed or own an animal and that the government will take away your rights to have pets of any kind..

http://janus.state.me.us/legis/LawMa...=1&SessionID=8

Hey...I agree about the extremist position of PETA.....but I suspect PETA has less influence in state legislatures than industry lobbyists.

Has any state come anywhere close to taking away individual breeding rights or the right to own a pet....rather than addressing issues related to "puppy mills"?

In any case, my point was more to the credibility of the CCF as a "consumer" advocate. It is not.....it is an industry front group.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

This is a link to pending legislation in the state of Maine where if you have 1 [ yes 1] intact female adult dog you are considered a breeding kennel. Of course they make exclusions for show kennels, hunting dogs etc except that any extra offspring cannot be sold so that would make someone worse than a pet miller they would be collectors because to breed you would have to keep everything you produce.

2. License fees. The fee for a breeding kennel license is calculated by multiplying the number of adult female dogs and cats at the breeding kennel capable of breeding by $500.

I have a two lb Chihuahua technically under this law I would have to pay $150 for her because technically she is capable of producing offspring and because having one breedable female I am considered a kennel so I would then have to pay $500 but no one in their right mind would breed a 2 lb dog and most veterinarians would not perform surgery on a dog that small when it is not an emergency. These are crazy laws and the HSUS is rushing these things to every state in the union that will listen to their lobbyists.

This is the goal of PETA and the HSUS that no one can breed or own an animal and that the government will take away your rights to have pets of any kind..

http://janus.state.me.us/legis/LawMa...=1&SessionID=8

If you have an animal and you aren't planning on breeding it, why wouldn't you spay/neuter it?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

There are some great dogs at shelters but lets not blame dog breeders for the dogs that are thrown away by others whether on purpose or thru a bad turn in life...

I didn't mean to imply breeders were responsible for irresponsible pet owners. I did mean to imply that not all breeders are good, and that there are too many animals being put down because of overbreeding, whether by breeders, or by people not spaying/neutering their animals and keeping them fenced in, or by people dumping animals they don't want. It just makes me very sad. If I had a lot of land and money, I would try to give some of them a place to live.