Obama's Dog

[Nirvana]

This is a link to pending legislation in the state of Maine where if you have 1 [ yes 1] intact female adult dog you are considered a breeding kennel. Of course they make exclusions for show kennels, hunting dogs etc except that any extra offspring cannot be sold so that would make someone worse than a pet miller they would be collectors because to breed you would have to keep everything you produce.

2. License fees. The fee for a breeding kennel license is calculated by multiplying the number of adult female dogs and cats at the breeding kennel capable of breeding by $500.

I have a two lb Chihuahua technically under this law I would have to pay $150 for her because technically she is capable of producing offspring and because having one breedable female I am considered a kennel so I would then have to pay $500 but no one in their right mind would breed a 2 lb dog and most veterinarians would not perform surgery on a dog that small when it is not an emergency. These are crazy laws and the HSUS is rushing these things to every state in the union that will listen to their lobbyists.

This is the goal of PETA and the HSUS that no one can breed or own an animal and that the government will take away your rights to have pets of any kind..

http://janus.state.me.us/legis/LawMa...=1&SessionID=8

Originally Posted by Nirvana

This is a link to pending legislation in the state of Maine where if you have 1 [ yes 1] intact female adult dog you are considered a breeding kennel. Of course they make exclusions for show kennels, hunting dogs etc except that any extra offspring cannot be sold so that would make someone worse than a pet miller they would be collectors because to breed you would have to keep everything you produce.

2. License fees. The fee for a breeding kennel license is calculated by multiplying the number of adult female dogs and cats at the breeding kennel capable of breeding by $500.

I have a two lb Chihuahua technically under this law I would have to pay $150 for her because technically she is capable of producing offspring and because having one breedable female I am considered a kennel so I would then have to pay $500 but no one in their right mind would breed a 2 lb dog and most veterinarians would not perform surgery on a dog that small when it is not an emergency. These are crazy laws and the HSUS is rushing these things to every state in the union that will listen to their lobbyists.

This is the goal of PETA and the HSUS that no one can breed or own an animal and that the government will take away your rights to have pets of any kind..

http://janus.state.me.us/legis/LawMa...=1&SessionID=8

Hey...I agree about the extremist position of PETA.....but I suspect PETA has less influence in state legislatures than industry lobbyists.

Has any state come anywhere close to taking away individual breeding rights or the right to own a pet....rather than addressing issues related to "puppy mills"?

In any case, my point was more to the credibility of the CCF as a "consumer" advocate. It is not.....it is an industry front group.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

This is a link to pending legislation in the state of Maine where if you have 1 [ yes 1] intact female adult dog you are considered a breeding kennel. Of course they make exclusions for show kennels, hunting dogs etc except that any extra offspring cannot be sold so that would make someone worse than a pet miller they would be collectors because to breed you would have to keep everything you produce.

2. License fees. The fee for a breeding kennel license is calculated by multiplying the number of adult female dogs and cats at the breeding kennel capable of breeding by $500.

I have a two lb Chihuahua technically under this law I would have to pay $150 for her because technically she is capable of producing offspring and because having one breedable female I am considered a kennel so I would then have to pay $500 but no one in their right mind would breed a 2 lb dog and most veterinarians would not perform surgery on a dog that small when it is not an emergency. These are crazy laws and the HSUS is rushing these things to every state in the union that will listen to their lobbyists.

This is the goal of PETA and the HSUS that no one can breed or own an animal and that the government will take away your rights to have pets of any kind..

http://janus.state.me.us/legis/LawMa...=1&SessionID=8

If you have an animal and you aren't planning on breeding it, why wouldn't you spay/neuter it?

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

If you have an animal and you aren't planning on breeding it, why wouldn't you spay/neuter it?

Because there are medical arguments against it. There are also 'moral' arguments against it. There is also the feeling of discomfort at ripping away the dog's reproductive organs.

Personally I wish we'd had Pilau done. I was persuaded out of it by my then partner and my brother. My Brother has absolutely insisted that his bitch, Amber, stays intact.

Spaying and neutering isn't the only way to prevent unwanted canine pregnancy...you can, y'know, not let your dog roam?

I asked earlier about the age at which the legislation mentioned, expects dogs to be neutered or spayed. I asked because there is a cultural divide between Americasn vets and British vets as to when the appropriate age wold be. As far as I know, American vets go a little earlier than British vets.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I was persuaded out of it by my then partner and my brother.

You dated your brother???

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Because there are medical arguments against it. There are also 'moral' arguments against it. There is also the feeling of discomfort at ripping away the dog's reproductive organs.

Personally I wish we'd had Pilau done. I was persuaded out of it by my then partner and my brother. My Brother has absolutely insisted that his bitch, Amber, stays intact.

Spaying and neutering isn't the only way to prevent unwanted canine pregnancy...you can, y'know, not let your dog roam?

I asked earlier about the age at which the legislation mentioned, expects dogs to be neutered or spayed. I asked because there is a cultural divide between Americasn vets and British vets as to when the appropriate age wold be. As far as I know, American vets go a little earlier than British vets.

Well, I mostly have cats, and with cats, I think the issue is different. For one thing, neutering a cat when it's young will (usually) keep it from spraying all over the house, and keep it from fighting as much. For another, if you have a cat that goes outside, they won't just stay inside the fence, so they will most likely reproduce.

And isn't it similar to what people get when they're "neutered?" Why it would be ripping away at their reproductive organs? It's surgery. They are under anesthesia. And I've always heard they were healthier if they were "fixed." I didn't realize there health reason to NOT have them fixed.

[Nirvana]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

If you have an animal and you aren't planning on breeding it, why wouldn't you spay/neuter it?

You seem to lack reading skills SP

I have a two lb Chihuahua technically under this law I would have to pay $150 for her because technically she is capable of producing offspring and because having one breedable female I am considered a kennel so I would then have to pay $500 but no one in their right mind would breed a 2 lb dog and most veterinarians would not perform surgery on a dog that small when it is not an emergency.

Spay/Neuter is an important medical decision that should be made for each individual pet only after careful consultation with the pet's veterinarian, instead of mandated at a fixed age by the government.

[glatt]

2 lb dogs are sterile? I honestly don't know.

[Nirvana]

Originally Posted by glatt

2 lb dogs are sterile? I honestly don't know.

No they are too small for surgery to be done safely. So I have a choice maybe a dead dog or a live intact dog. Guess I choose live intact dog.

[Nirvana]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

No they are too small for surgery to be done safely. So I have a choice maybe a dead dog or a live intact dog. Guess I choose live intact dog.

I do not have this choice or the right if I lived in Los Angeles. Many other people with other problems that cannot put their pet thru a surgery in Los Angeles do not have the right to choose. Your rights are being taken away little by little.

[Shawnee123]

From an animal rights perspective, and no I'm not PETA, it seems to me to be cruel to have designer dogs beget designer dogs that are ill-equipped for a birthing process, knowing full well surgery is probably doing to have to be done. You say spaying is more dangerous...I don't think that makes sense.

However, the initial point of this thread, if I understood correctly, was that people who think they are "rescuing" dogs may be getting a dog that isn't A-Number One Top of the Chop Dog, and isn't that too up to the family and the vet? Somehow, they have failed miserably in doing good?

For instance, you imply that they may have been abused, and inclined to meanness. What about an entire breed in which everything I read about it is their poor temperment, that is borne to that specific breed?

Many of us will love our critters, flaws and all, just as we love our flawed humans.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

You seem to lack reading skills SP

Quote:
I have a two lb Chihuahua technically under this law I would have to pay $150 for her because technically she is capable of producing offspring and because having one breedable female I am considered a kennel so I would then have to pay $500 but no one in their right mind would breed a 2 lb dog and most veterinarians would not perform surgery on a dog that small when it is not an emergency.
Spay/Neuter is an important medical decision that should be made for each individual pet only after careful consultation with the pet's veterinarian, instead of mandated at a fixed age by the government.

Spay/Neuter is an important medical decision that should be made for each individual pet only after careful consultation with the pet's veterinarian, instead of mandated at a fixed age by the government.

Why is dangerous to spay/neuter a small dog? I've never heard that, and how would it be any different than a 6-9 month old kitten?

It would seem the law may be going too far, but in MOST cases, I think people should spay/neuter their pets if they aren't going to breed them. That is just my opinion.