If the indians had been republican

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Think about what you're claiming for a minute, and think about how health care works. Then ask yourself, how can any research produce reliable statistics, showing how much is being spent on--specifically--undocumented immigrants' health care?

(Answer: it can't. That's why there aren't any.)

However, it is a fact (according to the IRS), that undocumented immigrants pay BILLIONS in income taxes, with legit ITINs and false SSNs. I'm fairly certain I've made you aware of this before.

Why do you want to ignore the facts. I will find the links all over if you want. I work in the health care industry. You are kidding yourself if you do not think that illegals are not costing the US tax payers huge sums of money in free health care. This has all been discussed before on previous threads. They do not pay enough into the tax system to offset their costs, no way, no how. The number of illegals who do obtain false SSN's is tiny compared to those that do not.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Why do you want to ignore the facts. I will find the links all over if you want. I work in the health care industry. You are kidding yourself if you do not think that illegals are not costing the US tax payers huge sums of money in free health care. This has all been discussed before on previous threads. They do not pay enough into the tax system to offset their costs, no way, no how. The number of illegals who do obtain false SSN's is tiny compared to those that do not.

Sorry, biased sources like the conservative "Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons" and extreme-rightie Congressman Gary Miller don't count.

You're right, this has all been discussed on previous threads, even before your time here.

Millions of undocumented immigrants have ITINs. And just because you don't believe that undocumented immigrants pay enough into the tax system, doesn't make it untrue.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

And just because you don't believe that undocumented immigrants pay enough into the tax system, doesn't make it untrue.

And the reverse of that statement does not make yours true either. Back it up. Let me guess, you will find some left wing pro-immigrant site to find your sources.


The American Medical Association to the Committee on Public Works and Transportation, U.S. House of Representatives; Los Angeles Times; Washington Post; Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons are hardly right-wing sources.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The American Medical Association to the Committee on Public Works and Transportation, U.S. House of Representatives; Los Angeles Times; Washington Post; Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons are hardly right-wing sources.

Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is indeed right wing. You quoted Rep. Gary Miller's page specifically, from the U.S. House of Representatives' site--not the House in general.

I don't see your links to the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post. I have a feeling I've seen the ones you're talking about, though. Post 'em so I can see if they're the ones I'm thinking of.

What is 'The American Medical Association to the Committee on Public Works and Transportation?' The only place I see that is here:

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters64bf

and that site is about as biased as you can get.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And the reverse of that statement does not make yours true either. Back it up. Let me guess, you will find some left wing pro-immigrant site to find your sources.

I did--the IRS.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Sorry, biased sources like the conservative "Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons" and extreme-rightie Congressman Gary Miller don't count.

So, your opinion is correct because you are on the left, and actual research doesn't count for anything because you've decided that a peer reviewed journal is too conservative.

Exactly what standard of proof are you looking for here?

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by wolf

So, your opinion is correct because you are on the left, and actual research doesn't count for anything because you've decided that a peer reviewed journal is too conservative.

Exactly what standard of proof are you looking for here?

What 'actual' research? The materials quoted from the Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons are rife with alarmist, extremist opinion, language, and conjecture. The sources are shaky at best. Anyone can write a commentary piece with made-up numbers, and put official-seeming footnotes in it. And then the footnotes turn out to be from the Op-Ed section of whatever newspaper they're sourcing, or from another website with the same extremist political agenda and twisted 'facts.'

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by wolf

So, your opinion is correct because you are on the left, and actual research doesn't count for anything because you've decided that a peer reviewed journal is too conservative.

Exactly what standard of proof are you looking for here?

I don't think you answered the question Blue, what you are saying could be true of virtually any cite.

[bluecuracao]

No, what I said is not true of virtually any cite. That's why footnotes are usually seen as authoritative and fact-based--they're supposed to be, when they're supporting the credibility of written work.

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Sorry, biased sources like the conservative "Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons" and extreme-rightie Congressman Gary Miller don't count.

You're right, this has all been discussed on previous threads, even before your time here.

Millions of undocumented immigrants have ITINs. And just because you don't believe that undocumented immigrants pay enough into the tax system, doesn't make it untrue.

I worked for the FL Ag system in multiple capacities and other industries in FL and CA where illegals worked, along side them and in administration and management.
That I know it for a fact makes it a untrue.

[bluecuracao]

Know what for a fact?