If the indians had been republican

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Nope, you don't get any breaks, especially since you're not willing to give them. I understand very well the motivations of the majority of immigrants to the U.S., illegal or legal. You, on the other hand, will never understand, as long as you keep thinking of certain people as prey.

The prey are the US tax payers who are taking it in the ass to support illegals. You make them out to be some kind of victims. I don't buy it. If I had my way I would round them up and dump them all in Iraq. But since I can't we need to figure out how to deal with the problem now. Not pat it on the head. Continuing to feed them, give them free medical care when Americans can't even get decent free medical care is not the answer.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The prey are the US tax payers who are taking it in the ass to support illegals. You make them out to be some kind of victims. I don't buy it. If I had my way I would round them up and dump them all in Iraq. But since I can't we need to figure out how to deal with the problem now. Not pat it on the head. Continuing to feed them, give them free medical care when Americans can't even get decent free medical care is not the answer.

U.S. tax payers are taking it up the ass for many things these days, 'supporting illegals' is not one of them, not by a longshot. Whether or not you believe that many, even most, illegal immigrants are the victims, doesn't make it less true.

That's funny, you saying I have a simplistic view of the world. You want to 'dump them all in Iraq?' Can't get much more simplistic than that.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

U.S. tax payers are taking it up the ass for many things these days, 'supporting illegals' is not one of them, not by a longshot. Whether or not you believe that many, even most, illegal immigrants are the victims, doesn't make it less true.

That's funny, you saying I have a simplistic view of the world. You want to 'dump them all in Iraq?' Can't get much more simplistic than that.

I wanted to be sure and condense it to something you could understand. If you don't think that the US tax payer is supporting illegals you are deluded, extremely deluded. Do some basic research and see how much we pay for their medical care, hell just for delieveries alone they are breaking our backs, and the average person with health care and insurance are paying for it. Then take a look at how much it is costing the prisons in Southern Calif and other border states to arrest and house these criminals. You have a lot of research to do, so I will leave you to it...

[bluecuracao]

Think about what you're claiming for a minute, and think about how health care works. Then ask yourself, how can any research produce reliable statistics, showing how much is being spent on--specifically--undocumented immigrants' health care?

(Answer: it can't. That's why there aren't any.)

However, it is a fact (according to the IRS), that undocumented immigrants pay BILLIONS in income taxes, with legit ITINs and false SSNs. I'm fairly certain I've made you aware of this before.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Think about what you're claiming for a minute, and think about how health care works. Then ask yourself, how can any research produce reliable statistics, showing how much is being spent on--specifically--undocumented immigrants' health care?

(Answer: it can't. That's why there aren't any.)

However, it is a fact (according to the IRS), that undocumented immigrants pay BILLIONS in income taxes, with legit ITINs and false SSNs. I'm fairly certain I've made you aware of this before.

Why do you want to ignore the facts. I will find the links all over if you want. I work in the health care industry. You are kidding yourself if you do not think that illegals are not costing the US tax payers huge sums of money in free health care. This has all been discussed before on previous threads. They do not pay enough into the tax system to offset their costs, no way, no how. The number of illegals who do obtain false SSN's is tiny compared to those that do not.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Why do you want to ignore the facts. I will find the links all over if you want. I work in the health care industry. You are kidding yourself if you do not think that illegals are not costing the US tax payers huge sums of money in free health care. This has all been discussed before on previous threads. They do not pay enough into the tax system to offset their costs, no way, no how. The number of illegals who do obtain false SSN's is tiny compared to those that do not.

Sorry, biased sources like the conservative "Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons" and extreme-rightie Congressman Gary Miller don't count.

You're right, this has all been discussed on previous threads, even before your time here.

Millions of undocumented immigrants have ITINs. And just because you don't believe that undocumented immigrants pay enough into the tax system, doesn't make it untrue.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

And just because you don't believe that undocumented immigrants pay enough into the tax system, doesn't make it untrue.

And the reverse of that statement does not make yours true either. Back it up. Let me guess, you will find some left wing pro-immigrant site to find your sources.


The American Medical Association to the Committee on Public Works and Transportation, U.S. House of Representatives; Los Angeles Times; Washington Post; Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons are hardly right-wing sources.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Sorry, biased sources like the conservative "Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons" and extreme-rightie Congressman Gary Miller don't count.

So, your opinion is correct because you are on the left, and actual research doesn't count for anything because you've decided that a peer reviewed journal is too conservative.

Exactly what standard of proof are you looking for here?

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Sorry, biased sources like the conservative "Journal of the American Physicians and Surgeons" and extreme-rightie Congressman Gary Miller don't count.

You're right, this has all been discussed on previous threads, even before your time here.

Millions of undocumented immigrants have ITINs. And just because you don't believe that undocumented immigrants pay enough into the tax system, doesn't make it untrue.

I worked for the FL Ag system in multiple capacities and other industries in FL and CA where illegals worked, along side them and in administration and management.
That I know it for a fact makes it a untrue.