I Smell a Rat

Pangloss62 · 12-01-2006, 05:27 PM

So, Joe "The Rat" Ratzinger goes to Turkey and is forming alliances with the Orthodox Church and, to some extent, the Muslims. But this Joe is no average Joe:

"whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ Himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole church", and that (s.5) "if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord Himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema."

Give me a break. "Christ the Lord Himself." Boy, that should give a guy a big ego. "Hey I have primacy over the whole friggin church! Christ himself says so!" What a crock of shit. It's so depressing to see how religion, in this case, Islam and Christianity, have become so enmeshed in global politics. I suppose I should not be surprised.

What makes me mad is Joe's attack on secularism, as if that is the greatest evil of all. The Vatican even has a Pontifical Council for Culture that deals with, among other terrible things, "the problem of unbelief." Fuck you Rat! My unbelief is not a problem.

Happy Monkey · 12-01-2006, 06:06 PM

It sorta goes with the Papal territory. Religion is a field in which believing one's own hype is considered a positive.

skysidhe · 12-01-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62

It's so depressing to see how religion, in this case, Islam and Christianity, have become so enmeshed in global politics. I suppose I should not be surprised.

Don't be suprised. Revelation says the church IS the great Whore.
We all know a whore sells it's self for money and power and so the church has too if it has any political pull in any way or money making abilities. In my opinion.

http://www.answers.com/topic/whore-of-babylon

xoxoxoBruce · 12-01-2006, 10:19 PM

That's MR anathema to you, rat boy.:p

Beestie · 12-01-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62

So, ... My unbelief is not a problem.

Nothing the Pope said is at odds with anything the Catholic Church has asserted during the last several thousand (thousand) years. So why would you think that all of the sudden unbelief would no longer be a problem? The Catholic Church is many things but what it is more than anything is consistent - especially in its position with regard to non-believers. I'm not sure I get why - all of the sudden- you have an issue. This issue is as old and no different than its always been. Either you is a Catholic or you isn't. There isn't any more of a between now than there was before we had calendars.

I don't care what you are or aren't. Just be it and don't bitch about it or else be something else.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-01-2006, 10:50 PM

I've always been Mr anathema.

Beestie · 12-01-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I've always been Mr anathema.

Maybe its me (undoubtedly) but I always thought anathema was one of those words that you used when you had no idea WtF you were talking about but wanted to intimidate anyone else who also didn't know WtF you were talking about from asking: "Ummm, Excuse me, Papal Dude but and I'm sure its something really important and I'm really a dumbass for asking but exactly WtF is an ANATHEMA?"

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-02-2006, 12:36 AM

Joe the Rat... Robert the Weasel...

12-02-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

Maybe its me (undoubtedly) but I always thought anathema was one of those words that you used when you had no idea WtF you were talking about but wanted to intimidate anyone else who also didn't know WtF you were talking about from asking: "Ummm, Excuse me, Papal Dude but and I'm sure its something really important and I'm really a dumbass for asking but exactly WtF is an ANATHEMA?"

www.dictionary.com

You may want to look up scolionophobia while you are there.

Spexxvet · 12-02-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

...Either you is a Catholic or you isn't......

And if you isn't, you must BURN!

Muhuhuhahahahah

Think how much more efficient the Spanish Inquisition would be today. "burn them on a cross?" "no, just napalm the fuck out of them, the godless heathen bastards."

Trilby · 12-02-2006, 12:09 PM

Pangloss, what do you expect a Pope to do? hang out and be "all cool" with shit? His job is to be at odds with secularism.

Now. I wonder if you would feel just as comfortable posting, "Fuck you, Mohammed you whore!" or similar.

12-02-2006, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Joe the Rat... Robert the Weasel...

What'd I do to you? :p

Pangloss62 · 12-02-2006, 02:59 PM

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His job is to be at odds with secularism.

I thought his job was to oversee the Catholic Church and its adherents. I take offense of his Council labeling unbelief as a "problem." You see, "The Church" used to declare war on Islam and kill the Muslims, now they (Joe et al) want to make peace with the Muslims and all work together to fight "secularism." Like we need more crazy religious people fighting against this evil thing called secularism. I don't feel comfortable having millions of people all over the world thinking I'm "a problem."

As I've said before, we could have a woman, negro, Jewish, or even a Muslim president, but we could NEVER have an atheist president. That kind of makes me mad.

And I don't have respect for today's Catholics because they only give lip service to their faith rather than follow it. They pick and choose their secular and religious behavior as they want. The Pope is in charge, but they don't listen to him. Birth control, for example. Divorce, for another. What's the point of religion if you don't follow the rules?

Trilby · 12-02-2006, 04:05 PM

My mom doesn't pick and choose.

She's a Catholic, thru and thru. Methinks you group all Catholics into one cold cauldron...let me tell you...

she's one of the most giving, compassionate and kind women ever.

Not all Catholics merely give "lip service" to their beliefs...I live in a town where the most prestigious college is private, Catholic. Loads of the young people live the Catholic doctrine--no lip service here.

Now. Let me hear you denouce the Islamic leader--Mohammed. Via post. Please do.

12-02-2006, 04:09 PM

That is a Christian... faith is personal, not a socio-political organization.
She sounds awesome.

12-01-2006, 05:27 PM	#1
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	I Smell a Rat So, Joe "The Rat" Ratzinger goes to Turkey and is forming alliances with the Orthodox Church and, to some extent, the Muslims. But this Joe is no average Joe: "whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ Himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole church", and that (s.5) "if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord Himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema." Give me a break. "Christ the Lord Himself." Boy, that should give a guy a big ego. "Hey I have primacy over the whole friggin church! Christ himself says so!" What a crock of shit. It's so depressing to see how religion, in this case, Islam and Christianity, have become so enmeshed in global politics. I suppose I should not be surprised. What makes me mad is Joe's attack on secularism, as if that is the greatest evil of all. The Vatican even has a Pontifical Council for Culture that deals with, among other terrible things, "the problem of unbelief." Fuck you Rat! My unbelief is not a problem. __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

12-01-2006, 06:06 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It sorta goes with the Papal territory. Religion is a field in which believing one's own hype is considered a positive. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

12-01-2006, 10:19 PM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's MR anathema to you, rat boy.:p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-01-2006, 10:50 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I've always been Mr anathema. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-02-2006, 12:36 AM	#8
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Joe the Rat... Robert the Weasel... __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-02-2006, 12:09 PM	#11
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Pangloss, what do you expect a Pope to do? hang out and be "all cool" with shit? His job is to be at odds with secularism. Now. I wonder if you would feel just as comfortable posting, "Fuck you, Mohammed you whore!" or similar. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

12-02-2006, 04:05 PM	#14
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	My mom doesn't pick and choose. She's a Catholic, thru and thru. Methinks you group all Catholics into one cold cauldron...let me tell you... she's one of the most giving, compassionate and kind women ever. Not all Catholics merely give "lip service" to their beliefs...I live in a town where the most prestigious college is private, Catholic. Loads of the young people live the Catholic doctrine--no lip service here. Now. Let me hear you denouce the Islamic leader--Mohammed. Via post. Please do. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 12-02-2006 at 04:09 PM.

12-02-2006, 04:09 PM	#15
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	That is a Christian... faith is personal, not a socio-political organization. She sounds awesome.

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