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Pangloss62 12-01-2006 05:27 PM

I Smell a Rat
 
So, Joe "The Rat" Ratzinger goes to Turkey and is forming alliances with the Orthodox Church and, to some extent, the Muslims. But this Joe is no average Joe:

"whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ Himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole church", and that (s.5) "if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord Himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema."

Give me a break. "Christ the Lord Himself." Boy, that should give a guy a big ego. "Hey I have primacy over the whole friggin church! Christ himself says so!" What a crock of shit. It's so depressing to see how religion, in this case, Islam and Christianity, have become so enmeshed in global politics. I suppose I should not be surprised.

What makes me mad is Joe's attack on secularism, as if that is the greatest evil of all. The Vatican even has a Pontifical Council for Culture that deals with, among other terrible things, "the problem of unbelief." Fuck you Rat! My unbelief is not a problem.


http://www.wildfreshness.com/brian/archives/Pope.jpg

Happy Monkey 12-01-2006 06:06 PM

It sorta goes with the Papal territory. Religion is a field in which believing one's own hype is considered a positive.

skysidhe 12-01-2006 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62
It's so depressing to see how religion, in this case, Islam and Christianity, have become so enmeshed in global politics. I suppose I should not be surprised.
http://www.wildfreshness.com/brian/archives/Pope.jpg

Don't be suprised. Revelation says the church IS the great Whore.
We all know a whore sells it's self for money and power and so the church has too if it has any political pull in any way or money making abilities. In my opinion.

http://www.answers.com/topic/whore-of-babylonhttp://content.answers.com/main/cont...x-Whorebab.jpg

xoxoxoBruce 12-01-2006 10:19 PM

That's MR anathema to you, rat boy.:p

Beestie 12-01-2006 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangloss62
So, ... My unbelief is not a problem.

Nothing the Pope said is at odds with anything the Catholic Church has asserted during the last several thousand (thousand) years. So why would you think that all of the sudden unbelief would no longer be a problem? The Catholic Church is many things but what it is more than anything is consistent - especially in its position with regard to non-believers. I'm not sure I get why - all of the sudden- you have an issue. This issue is as old and no different than its always been. Either you is a Catholic or you isn't. There isn't any more of a between now than there was before we had calendars.

I don't care what you are or aren't. Just be it and don't bitch about it or else be something else.

xoxoxoBruce 12-01-2006 10:50 PM

I've always been Mr anathema. :D

Beestie 12-01-2006 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
I've always been Mr anathema. :D

Maybe its me (undoubtedly) but I always thought anathema was one of those words that you used when you had no idea WtF you were talking about but wanted to intimidate anyone else who also didn't know WtF you were talking about from asking: "Ummm, Excuse me, Papal Dude but and I'm sure its something really important and I'm really a dumbass for asking but exactly WtF is an ANATHEMA?"

Urbane Guerrilla 12-02-2006 12:36 AM

Joe the Rat... Robert the Weasel...

rkzenrage 12-02-2006 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie
Maybe its me (undoubtedly) but I always thought anathema was one of those words that you used when you had no idea WtF you were talking about but wanted to intimidate anyone else who also didn't know WtF you were talking about from asking: "Ummm, Excuse me, Papal Dude but and I'm sure its something really important and I'm really a dumbass for asking but exactly WtF is an ANATHEMA?"

www.dictionary.com

You may want to look up scolionophobia while you are there.

Spexxvet 12-02-2006 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie
...Either you is a Catholic or you isn't......

And if you isn't, you must BURN! :flamer: Muhuhuhahahahah

Think how much more efficient the Spanish Inquisition would be today. "burn them on a cross?" "no, just napalm the fuck out of them, the godless heathen bastards."

Trilby 12-02-2006 12:09 PM

Pangloss, what do you expect a Pope to do? hang out and be "all cool" with shit? His job is to be at odds with secularism.

Now. I wonder if you would feel just as comfortable posting, "Fuck you, Mohammed you whore!" or similar.

rkzenrage 12-02-2006 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla
Joe the Rat... Robert the Weasel...

What'd I do to you? :p

Pangloss62 12-02-2006 02:59 PM

Book of Job
 
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His job is to be at odds with secularism.
I thought his job was to oversee the Catholic Church and its adherents. I take offense of his Council labeling unbelief as a "problem." You see, "The Church" used to declare war on Islam and kill the Muslims, now they (Joe et al) want to make peace with the Muslims and all work together to fight "secularism." Like we need more crazy religious people fighting against this evil thing called secularism. I don't feel comfortable having millions of people all over the world thinking I'm "a problem."

As I've said before, we could have a woman, negro, Jewish, or even a Muslim president, but we could NEVER have an atheist president. That kind of makes me mad.

And I don't have respect for today's Catholics because they only give lip service to their faith rather than follow it. They pick and choose their secular and religious behavior as they want. The Pope is in charge, but they don't listen to him. Birth control, for example. Divorce, for another. What's the point of religion if you don't follow the rules?

Trilby 12-02-2006 04:05 PM

My mom doesn't pick and choose.

She's a Catholic, thru and thru. Methinks you group all Catholics into one cold cauldron...let me tell you...

she's one of the most giving, compassionate and kind women ever.


Not all Catholics merely give "lip service" to their beliefs...I live in a town where the most prestigious college is private, Catholic. Loads of the young people live the Catholic doctrine--no lip service here.

Now. Let me hear you denouce the Islamic leader--Mohammed. Via post. Please do.

rkzenrage 12-02-2006 04:09 PM

That is a Christian... faith is personal, not a socio-political organization.
She sounds awesome.


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