Geneva Conventions

[depmats]

[quote]Originally posted by marichiko


How about "There is but one true God and George is his prophet"?

Let's say you are a 1000% correct in your assumption that every single detainee is one of Satan's emissary's from hell. Let's say that we are indeed on the side of the angels. If we are the "good guys" shouldn't we at least act like the good guys? What does the US stand for in your brainwashed little mind? Human rights? Democracy? The right to a fair trial and due process of the law? How can we as a nation espouse these ideals and then throw them down the toilet while the entire world watches? Apparently you have no problem with this. Might makes right and "arbeit macht frei." I have read your posts and you seem incapable of much more than the same damn brainless thug response to the issue over and over and over and over... get the point? [/QUOTE

Because I don't buy into the idea that the majority of prisoners in Gitmo are innocent of wrongdoing, I am automatically a brainless disciple of George? Emissaries of Satan? Don't think I through that one out there either. I think I also stated before that I am sure there ARE individuals who are detained who are not guilty of any crime or act of violence against our troops. But their presence, although unfortunate, does not dash my hopes for the future upon the rocks.
If you have read my posts before you know that the rights and privileges that concern me are those of law-abiding, American citizens first, those who have stood by the US second, and those who oppose the US a distant third. Just because you passionately disagree with my view of the world, don't assume I am some brainwashed neo-con. I happen to disagree with Bush on more than I agree with, but if we are in a state of war - I believe the only way to successfully prosecute the war is to go at it 100% and if some people get bent out of shape, well tough shit. The real world doesn't fit into a nice touchy-feely package. Most of the world has not liked the US for a very long time, this is nothing new. They stand by and support the US when there is a benefit to them and point at us for being the world bullies when our actions aren't what they prefer. It's politics.

[Yelof]

To be the good guy you always have to play with one hand tied being your back, comes with the territory, because unrestrained power always turns to evil.

depmats your attitudes are an embarrassment to your nation..how is is when I hear you say

American citizens first

I hear the dour tune of deutschland uber alles floating thru the air

[DanaC]

Again I see this assertion that America is the only country which has stuck to the geneva convention since it was signed .....It was fallacious the first time I saw it, it's fallacious now.

[depmats]

Originally posted by Yelof
To be the good guy you always have to play with one hand tied being your back, comes with the territory, because unrestrained power always turns to evil.

depmats your attitudes are an embarrassment to your nation..how is is when I hear you say I hear the dour tune of deutschland uber alles floating thru the air

i refuse to apologize for not being a panzy globalist.

[Yelof]

i refuse to apologize for not being a panzy globalist.

Fine then, find your own planet, because people here on this one are sick of your type

[DanaC]

Fine then, find your own planet, because people here on this one are sick of your type

Har! Here Here. *loud applause*

Originally posted by depmats


i refuse to apologize for not being a panzy globalist.

How about apologizing for being a knee jerk "patriot" then? I found myself in more arguments with people in other countries when I traveled overseas because of Americans with attitudes like yours. It got old.

Ever take a look at the Declaration of Independence? You know, that "pansy" document that states "We hold these truths to be self evident: That all men are created equal...? It doesn't say "except for Mexicans" or "except for Iraqui's" or "except for Irish." It say ALL men. A true patriot honors the words of that document. Its a bit like the so-called Christian who indulges in shady business deals and cheats on his wife, but goes to Church every Sunday. How much respect does such an individual deserve? Very little in my book. Yelof took the words out of my mouth - "find another planet"!

[depmats]

oh-waaah. Do you seriously think that people outside of US borders hating us is something new? Americans have been extremely foolish to believe that an eagerness to accept our money and welcome our offshored jobs equates to people liking us.

Thanks for the lecture on "all men being created equal." I don't remember EVER saying they weren't. All I have said is that we have to place our priorities. I believe that the safety and security and yes - the comfort of Americans and those who stand with us should be OUR government's primary concern. The purpose of a government is to protect their own. All nations will act in what is to them a rational manner (from the leader's perspective) An action or policy that (from the leader's perspective) is necessary for one country may be counter to another nation's interest. welcome to international conflict. It doesn't mean that one group of people is superior to the other, it merely means that the two nations' interest do not coincide. national conflict and war is inevitable. My comments about what a believe to be a touchy feely globalist view I stand by. I wish we could all just get along - but we can't. It is not human nature. This isn't Star Trek, we don't have a Federation looking out for the best interests of all people. In any organization the leadership can and will be corrupted, I refuse to support giving any amount of control over our nation to an organization such as the UN. The UN is a tool, not a governing body. If we cede our power to another governing body we no longer have the right to step back and pursue what may be in the interests of the nation. That, although too short to be clearly spelled out properly, is why I don't much care for external control over our nation's actions. Might does not make right, but it does decide the outcome when two nations have oposing interests.

And for those who are ashamed to have someone who thinks like me in your country or even on your planet??? Sorry, the thought police haven't caught up to me yet. So if it makes you uncomfortable, you can leave MY planet. But for the record, I am willing to share my planet with people who I strongly disagree with.

[tw]

Originally posted by depmats
Have you ever met someone that came up with a clever phrase and then drove it straight into the ground?

It is not a clever remark. It is what George Jr said to his staff right after he became governor of TX. We know George Jr has problems with facts. Do you also?

Originally posted by depmats
I happen to disagree with Bush on more than I agree with, but if we are in a state of war - I believe the only way to successfully prosecute the war is to go at it 100% and if some people get bent out of shape, well tough shit.

Which is exactly the same reasoning used to promote the criminal actions of Richard Nixon. After all, we were at war even with Cambodia and Laos. Therefore we had to kill students at Kent State who were so unpatriotic as to even be in the vicinity of a demonstration.

Patriotism is about advancement of the nation and its people. Not about following that mental midget president into mindless lies, unsubstanicated war, violations of the Geneva Convention, massive debts, a stagnant economy, perversion of science, promotion of religion by the government, and - this is the damning part - not even going after the real enemy of America (bin Laden if you have not yet forgotten who the terrorist is). The mental midget president could not even be bothered to attack, neutralize, or capture the enemy who attacked America. The war on terrorism is in Afghanistan (or maybe inside Pakistan). So what are we doing in Iraq? That is not a war. That is an occupation - or the liberation of people who did not want to be liberated. Anyone who confuses the unjustified Iraq invasion with a war on terrorism clearly uses about the same amount of intellect as the mental midget president - or loves to agree with outright lies.

This mental midget president has so mismanaged even the unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq. Billy Kristol (editor of the Weekly Standard and a principle of the Project for a New American Century) who had originally promoted the Iraq invasion even says this administration has screwed up the occupation of Iraq. Lets not forget the war we forgot to win - the one that every nation in the world said was a justified invasion. George Jr still has no plans to win the real war on terrorism - Afghanistan. Maybe god only talks to governors; not presidents?

[DanaC]

I really dont care if tw repeats the phrase . At least he talks sense

Originally posted by DanaC
I really dont care if tw repeats the phrase . At least he talks sense

Hear! Hear!

[Yelof]

I am willing to share my planet with people who I strongly disagree with

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, unfortunately your view represents that of the ruling class in the US and we react against your opinion as we react against them and their blocking of such things as Kyoto, Convention on the Rights of the Child, Charter of the UN article 1 and the Geneva Convention etc etc...

As the lone superpower America must show restraint or be blamed for all the worlds ills, Clinton understood that and he had the respect of the world.

Those who share your opinions on matters have no place at the table of nations, you however are welcome to your opinion, but please understand that many who do not hold with your ideas outside the US act not with a desire to hate the US, but a desire to build a better world community.

Patriotism will never win the war on terrorism, as it is really a cultural war, do not subdue the world by force of arms but inspire by force of example!

[depmats]

Originally posted by Yelof


Of course you are entitled to your opinion, unfortunately your view represents that of the ruling class in the US and we react against your opinion as we react against them and their blocking of such things as Kyoto, Convention on the Rights of the Child, Charter of the UN article 1 and the Geneva Convention etc etc...

As the lone superpower America must show restraint or be blamed for all the worlds ills, Clinton understood that and he had the respect of the world.

Those who share your opinions on matters have no place at the table of nations, you however are welcome to your opinion, but please understand that many who do not hold with your ideas outside the US act not with a desire to hate the US, but a desire to build a better world community.

Patriotism will never win the war on terrorism, as it is really a cultural war, do not subdue the world by force of arms but inspire by force of example!

The world respected Clinton? Not even the military who HAD to show respect for the office held any real respect for him.

And I assume you are familiar with Carter's lead by example strategy? Nations will not follow your lead if it is not consistant with their goals.

[depmats]

And tw - I did not mean that to be an attack on you - you actually present ideas in which you believe and support what you say. I was seriously just saying I am going to barf if I see that phrase one more time.

It rings as hollow and superficial to me as hearing Hannity hiccup every time he refers to T Kennedy.

[Yelof]

depmats this may suprise you but..

the world (a place beyond the US military and fox news) greatly respected Clinton and Carter is viewed as the best ex-President the US has ever had.

these are the facts, sorry

As for chimpboy, the thief in chief, he must rate about a 1% world approval rating.