Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

[TheMercenary]

The fact is, Americans are increasingly fed up with the racially divisive, politically correct insanity pulsating through the country today. After years of being pressured and browbeaten by the left-wing PC police about what they can say, do, think, and wear, many Americans have had enough. And they're especially furious with being asked to apologize for things that aren't or shouldn't be in the least bit offensive.

The idea that high school kids anywhere in America would be called the principal's office - let alone that they would be asked whether they should apologize - for wearing clothes bearing the image of the United States flag, is a perfect case in point.

It's the kind of insanity that rankles the sensibilities of millions upon millions of Americans, and has them cheering when someone - whether a Cambridge cop or a Bay Area mother - stands up, refuses to back down, and says, "there will be no apology."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...gy_105472.html

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Are you seriously obtuse enough to think it would be acceptable for a white administrator to send a mexican kid home if he wore a shirt with a mexican flag on it on the 4th of July? (yeah, I know there's no school in July, but you get the point)

Who'd a thunk it. Great Idea. Then we can hear about the liberal outcry of oppression.

Originally Posted by lookout123

The intent is irrelevent. This is America. They are Americans. They chose to wear pictures of the American flag to school. If the administration believes demonstrating a visible symbol for your nation can pose a threat then they need to get a fucking grip on their school.


Would it also be reasonable for this inept school administrator to tell a female student, "Young lady, you are wearing a skirt so I assume you have a vagina. You need to go home and lock your doors because your ownership of a vagina might cause someone else to behave in a dangerous manner. Now get along home little lady"?

You don't have the right to curb my rights because someone else might choose to be an asshole. If some mexican kid starts a fight, then you deal with the kid who can't deal with the idea of supporting his country. Last I checked Cinco de Mayo isn't an official US holiday anyway.

The courts have ruled that schools can impose dress codes that may limit the students' right of expression to wear whatever the hell they want.

Not that the young lady is wearing a skirt and has a vagina....but perhaps because the skirt is too short.

And the intent does matter because the courts use intent as one measure to determine the right to wear particular clothes.

If the intent is to promote a potentially adverse response (which is purely subjective), a particular style of dress may be prohibited.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Are you seriously obtuse enough to think it would be acceptable for a white administrator to send a mexican kid home if he wore a shirt with a mexican flag on it on the 4th of July? (yeah, I know there's no school in July, but you get the point)

You are missing my entire point. It is not about being respectful to other cultures. It is about a school district attempting to prevent violence breaking out in their school.

If there is solid evidence that a symbol will cause a violent reaction in a school, I believe there are grounds to ban that symbol. I back that no matter which ethnicity, religion, or whatever stupid divider is on each side.

You are just basing your views on strong ideals. If you ran that school, what would you do to stop the violence? Telling them to get a grip on their school doesn't say much. I just assume you mean cultural sensitivity training.

Ideally I don't agree with it either, but that is how the world works.


You missed the point too Merc, or are you just looking for a reaction?

Originally Posted by Jinx

These are your words and I was responding to them as I read them.

Okay.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

And the intent does matter because the courts use intent as one measure to determine the right to wear particular clothes.

Intent is to difficult to prove as a yardstick. In this specific case the students who wore American Flags should sue the hell out of the school district. The burden of proof is on them.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

or are you just looking for a reaction?

Absolutely not. My point has been made. The students had a right to wear the shirts. The schools failed and should be punished.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Intent is to difficult to prove as a yardstick. In this specific case the students who wore American Flags should sue the hell out of the school district. The burden of proof is on them.

In a civil case, the burden of proof is generally on the plaintiff.

That is, the kids (through their parents) would have to prove the school violated their rights.. not the other way around.

If they want to pursue it, I would suggest calling the ACLU...you know, the guys you criticize for standing up for constitutional rights.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

In a civil case, the burden of proof is generally on the plaintiff.

That is, the kids (through their parents) would have to prove the school violated their rights.. not the other way around.

If they want to pursue it, I would suggest calling your friends the ACLU.

An easy win. Fuck the ACLU. I would just hire a good lawyer.

I bet they are already pissing in their pants for the national attention they are getting.

My friends ?

[Flint]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

If it was just someone innocently wearing an American flag, then I would agree with your point.

Can you describe the difference between "innocent wearing" and "malicious wearing" and how you can scientifically tell the difference? And...does the subject matter, or WHAT you are wearing have no bearing? I find the fundamental substance of your argument to be patently ridiculous.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Redux

The courts have ruled that schools can impose dress codes that may limit the students' right of expression to wear whatever the hell they want.

Yes they can, but it has to be uniform, and can't be imposed in the middle of the damn day.

[classicman]

Five kids attending Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Calif., decided to wear patriotic clothing (T-shirts and bandannas with the American flag on them) on Cinco de Mayo. Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez told them that the clothing was inappropriate for the holiday and to ditch the bandannas and turn their shirts inside out or go home.

[classicman]

[classicman]

Oh, and here is another tidbit thats not been addressed - at least two of the four boys wearing the American flag T-shirts had Mexican ancestry.

[lumberjim]

this is America

Cinco de Mayo is Mexican Holiday

have a Corona and STFU

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes they can, but it has to be uniform, and can't be imposed in the middle of the damn day.

In regards to a dress code, I was responding to lookout's post about a young lady and her skirt and vagina.

But, the fact is, neither of us know if the policy prohibits wearing bandannas.

Five kids attending Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Calif., decided to wear patriotic clothing (T-shirts and bandannas with the American flag on them) on Cinco de Mayo. Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez told them that the clothing was inappropriate for the holiday and to ditch the bandannas and turn their shirts inside out or go home.

You are making assumptions here.

That the five kids acted out of patriotism, rather than to be provocative. You dont know that.

In fact, we dont anything about these five kids, other then that they acted collectively. Are they model students? Have they had or provoked confrontations with Hispanic students in the past? Are there tensions in the school between Anglo students and Hispanic students? We dont know any of the answers. Presumably, the Asst. Principal does.

And, with the bolding, it appears that you are assuming or inferring that the Asst Principal acted based on his own ethnicity rather than out of concern for safety.

The Asst. Principal made a judgment call....perhaps, bad judgment...but none of us know all the facts.

One fact we do know, the school had a recent history of problems with intolerance and attacks (physical and verbal) against minorities...at the time, it was against gays/lesbian students.