Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by Redux

Was it to express patriotism and freedom or was to be provocative (to the point that the administrator thought it might pose a danger) given the recent focus on illegal immigration.

The intent is irrelevent. This is America. They are Americans. They chose to wear pictures of the American flag to school. If the administration believes demonstrating a visible symbol for your nation can pose a threat then they need to get a fucking grip on their school.


Would it also be reasonable for this inept school administrator to tell a female student, "Young lady, you are wearing a skirt so I assume you have a vagina. You need to go home and lock your doors because your ownership of a vagina might cause someone else to behave in a dangerous manner. Now get along home little lady"?

You don't have the right to curb my rights because someone else might choose to be an asshole. If some mexican kid starts a fight, then you deal with the kid who can't deal with the idea of supporting his country. Last I checked Cinco de Mayo isn't an official US holiday anyway.

[lookout123]

What was the relationship between these students and the Mexican American student population before May 5th?

Irrelevent.

Did these students purposely wear the American flag to make a statement against Cinco de Mayo?

Irrelevent.

How would the Mexican American students react against these students wearing the American Flag on May 5th?

Irrelevent.

If there was a bad relationship between these students and the Mexican American student population, the students purposely wore the American flag as a fuck you to Cinco de Mayo, and the Mexican American students would react violently to the shirts,

Then those who reacted violently should be dealt with as violent offenders in accordance with their actions.

Are you seriously obtuse enough to think it would be acceptable for a white administrator to send a mexican kid home if he wore a shirt with a mexican flag on it on the 4th of July? (yeah, I know there's no school in July, but you get the point)

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Are you seriously obtuse enough to think it would be acceptable for a white administrator to send a mexican kid home if he wore a shirt with a mexican flag on it on the 4th of July? (yeah, I know there's no school in July, but you get the point)

Who'd a thunk it. Great Idea. Then we can hear about the liberal outcry of oppression.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Are you seriously obtuse enough to think it would be acceptable for a white administrator to send a mexican kid home if he wore a shirt with a mexican flag on it on the 4th of July? (yeah, I know there's no school in July, but you get the point)

You are missing my entire point. It is not about being respectful to other cultures. It is about a school district attempting to prevent violence breaking out in their school.

If there is solid evidence that a symbol will cause a violent reaction in a school, I believe there are grounds to ban that symbol. I back that no matter which ethnicity, religion, or whatever stupid divider is on each side.

You are just basing your views on strong ideals. If you ran that school, what would you do to stop the violence? Telling them to get a grip on their school doesn't say much. I just assume you mean cultural sensitivity training.

Ideally I don't agree with it either, but that is how the world works.


You missed the point too Merc, or are you just looking for a reaction?

Originally Posted by Jinx

These are your words and I was responding to them as I read them.

Okay.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

or are you just looking for a reaction?

Absolutely not. My point has been made. The students had a right to wear the shirts. The schools failed and should be punished.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

You are just basing your views on strong ideals. If you ran that school, what would you do to stop the violence? Telling them to get a grip on their school doesn't say much. I just assume you mean cultural sensitivity training.

Sensitivity training? Hell no. The proper response is to quit worrying about everyone's fucking feelings and start working in the world of actions.

White kid attacks a mexican kid for wearing a mexican flag shirt? Press charges on the white kid.

Mexican kid attacks a white kid for wearing an american flag shirt?
Press charges against the mexican kid.

A purple kid attacks a polk a dot kid for having the wrong color dots?
Press charges against the aggressor.

If the school administration has such a weak grasp on keeping the school safe for people to learn then the entire fucking administration should be shown the door so someone competent can be brought in to deal with assholes who break the law regardless of their heritage.

Originally Posted by lookout123

Sensitivity training? Hell no. The proper response is to quit worrying about everyone's fucking feelings and start working in the world of actions.

White kid attacks a mexican kid for wearing a mexican flag shirt? Press charges on the white kid.

Mexican kid attacks a white kid for wearing an american flag shirt?
Press charges against the mexican kid.

A purple kid attacks a polk a dot kid for having the wrong color dots?
Press charges against the aggressor.

If the school administration has such a weak grasp on keeping the school safe for people to learn then the entire fucking administration should be shown the door so someone competent can be brought in to deal with assholes who break the law regardless of their heritage.

I agree...return to the world of actions.

Lets start by banning salsa from all school cafeterias and returning to the Reagan days when ketchup counted as a vegetable on school menus.

Hell...not just the schools. Multi-culturalism has invaded kitchens across American. It must be stopped!

Boycott salsa! Restore ketchup to its patriotic place as America's number one condiment.

Originally Posted by lookout123

The intent is irrelevent. This is America. They are Americans. They chose to wear pictures of the American flag to school. If the administration believes demonstrating a visible symbol for your nation can pose a threat then they need to get a fucking grip on their school.


Would it also be reasonable for this inept school administrator to tell a female student, "Young lady, you are wearing a skirt so I assume you have a vagina. You need to go home and lock your doors because your ownership of a vagina might cause someone else to behave in a dangerous manner. Now get along home little lady"?

You don't have the right to curb my rights because someone else might choose to be an asshole. If some mexican kid starts a fight, then you deal with the kid who can't deal with the idea of supporting his country. Last I checked Cinco de Mayo isn't an official US holiday anyway.

The courts have ruled that schools can impose dress codes that may limit the students' right of expression to wear whatever the hell they want.

Not that the young lady is wearing a skirt and has a vagina....but perhaps because the skirt is too short.

And the intent does matter because the courts use intent as one measure to determine the right to wear particular clothes.

If the intent is to promote a potentially adverse response (which is purely subjective), a particular style of dress may be prohibited.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

And the intent does matter because the courts use intent as one measure to determine the right to wear particular clothes.

Intent is to difficult to prove as a yardstick. In this specific case the students who wore American Flags should sue the hell out of the school district. The burden of proof is on them.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Intent is to difficult to prove as a yardstick. In this specific case the students who wore American Flags should sue the hell out of the school district. The burden of proof is on them.

In a civil case, the burden of proof is generally on the plaintiff.

That is, the kids (through their parents) would have to prove the school violated their rights.. not the other way around.

If they want to pursue it, I would suggest calling the ACLU...you know, the guys you criticize for standing up for constitutional rights.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

In a civil case, the burden of proof is generally on the plaintiff.

That is, the kids (through their parents) would have to prove the school violated their rights.. not the other way around.

If they want to pursue it, I would suggest calling your friends the ACLU.

An easy win. Fuck the ACLU. I would just hire a good lawyer.

I bet they are already pissing in their pants for the national attention they are getting.

My friends ?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Redux

The courts have ruled that schools can impose dress codes that may limit the students' right of expression to wear whatever the hell they want.

Yes they can, but it has to be uniform, and can't be imposed in the middle of the damn day.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes they can, but it has to be uniform, and can't be imposed in the middle of the damn day.

In regards to a dress code, I was responding to lookout's post about a young lady and her skirt and vagina.

But, the fact is, neither of us know if the policy prohibits wearing bandannas.

Five kids attending Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Calif., decided to wear patriotic clothing (T-shirts and bandannas with the American flag on them) on Cinco de Mayo. Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez told them that the clothing was inappropriate for the holiday and to ditch the bandannas and turn their shirts inside out or go home.

You are making assumptions here.

That the five kids acted out of patriotism, rather than to be provocative. You dont know that.

In fact, we dont anything about these five kids, other then that they acted collectively. Are they model students? Have they had or provoked confrontations with Hispanic students in the past? Are there tensions in the school between Anglo students and Hispanic students? We dont know any of the answers. Presumably, the Asst. Principal does.

And, with the bolding, it appears that you are assuming or inferring that the Asst Principal acted based on his own ethnicity rather than out of concern for safety.

The Asst. Principal made a judgment call....perhaps, bad judgment...but none of us know all the facts.

One fact we do know, the school had a recent history of problems with intolerance and attacks (physical and verbal) against minorities...at the time, it was against gays/lesbian students.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez, would be a pretty good reason why he thought it was a holiday.

Their reasons for wearing those clothes doesn't matter, they were within their rights to do so.

[Spexxvet]

What a bunch of assholes