Obama's Dog - Page 6

Nirvana · 03-17-2009, 01:47 PM

Why is a fee necessary for a hobby breeder? Let say a kennel in Maine has 10 intact females that is $650 per female that you have to pay the local government to have these dogs on top of what you paid to buy the dogs. [$6500.00]What part of how can anyone afford that are you missing? Most breeders are not selling the higher end dogs they retain them for breeding they sell one or two show and breeding quality puppies and the rest are the pets, in my breed pets are $450 and up that come from champion pedigrees. I do not place pets with papers for breeding. Sometimes I neuter them before they leave.
You are incorrect about the dog"market" people are buying mutts, "designer mutts" which have the potential to have twice as many problems as purebreds because they carry the genes for different breeds. It is PC now to "rescue" which makes people feel all philanthropic until they get little foo foo home and he is a monster. Ask Ellen.

I have never had more than 2-3 intact females at any given time thats just me, but I will speak up for those who have a right to keep as many as they can care for in a humane manner otherwise I and pet owners are next on the list. It will be illegal to own animals all because people do not understand what is going on in their own state legislature.

For Dana; spaying is to occur at 6 months. I have two very tiny Chihuahuas 2lbs and I guess if I lived in a mandatory spay neuter area I would have to move rather then see if a vet would kill these two while performing a spay.

classicman · 03-17-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

Why is a fee necessary for a hobby breeder? Let say a kennel in Maine has 10 intact females that is $650 per female that you have to pay the local government to have these dogs on top of what you paid to buy the dogs. [$6500.00]What part of how can anyone afford that are you missing?

WHETHER IT WAS PER MOTHER OR PER PUP. I GOT IT NOW - THANKS

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

Most breeders are not selling the higher end dogs they retain them for breeding they sell one or two show and breeding quality puppies and the rest are the pets, in my breed pets are $450 and up that come from champion pedigrees. I do not place pets with papers for breeding. Sometimes I neuter them before they leave.

You brought up the $2500 number. Now you say the number is $450. Which is it $450 or $2500. OR is that now the range. I thought that was exceptionally high, We sold ours for $700-$750. So you would compare your dogs to, say an Acura versus a Yugo?

It seems more like a seating license when people buy season tickets for their football team.

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

You are incorrect about the dog"market" people are buying mutts, "designer mutts" which have the potential to have twice as many problems as purebreds because they carry the genes for different breeds. It is PC now to "rescue" which makes people feel all philanthropic until they get little foo foo home and he is a monster. Ask Ellen.

I have seen plenty of health problems with purebreds as well. Yes they are better, but by no means immune. I've also seen many issues with their intellect and attitude due to constant breeding within the same lineage.

Oh, and who the hell is Ellen?

DanaC · 03-17-2009, 11:35 AM

Nirvana, I havent time to go searching through the links, but at what age is the spaying supposed to occur?

Nirvana · 03-17-2009, 01:56 PM

The government is trying to tell you what to do in your own home. Your civil rights are being taken away.

Nirvana · 03-17-2009, 02:03 PM

CM I don't think you understand that hobby breeding is not a commercial venture it is a "hobby", that means its costs money to do it, breaking even is a dream! The cost of supplies, veterinary care, dog shows, traveling can never be paid for by selling puppies. Lumping hobby breeders in with commercial kennels is wrong and will be the demise of quality purebred dogs and pet owners.

Nirvana · 03-17-2009, 02:25 PM

I bred the number one Chihuahua being shown in this country in 2000. She won Best In Show at an all breed event, 1 of only 5 long coats females in our breed to have ever won BIS and she won the breed at Westminster. I can ask what I want for puppies I just do not happen to breed very many, I place less than 3 puppies a year.. I would still only ask $450-$850 for pets.

The term "pet" means to a hobby breeder a dog that cannot be shown and should not be bred because it has a minor flaw such as dentition problem, shoulder placement, nose color etc.

From a good show breeder you can expect to pay $2500 for a show breeding dog. [ my breed]They will expect you to show them and just laying out the money will not guarantee you the dog they have a screening process and some will want to co own until the dog is a Champion..

Nirvana · 03-17-2009, 02:26 PM

Ellen Degeneres and Oprah got bad deals when they bought dogs from rescue.

classicman · 03-17-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

Ellen Degeneres and Oprah got bad deals when they bought dogs from rescue.

IMO - The dogs got a bad deal too.

Congrats on the championship.

Nirvana · 03-17-2009, 06:39 PM

Thanks CM

I am not a bragging type of person I only wanted to qualify my comments.

I dunno if the dogs got a bad deal, they had wealthy owners willing to give them everything, its not their fault the one died nor is their fault that the other dog was not a good match for the owner.
Just because someone calls themselves a dog rescue(r) doesn't mean they know what they are doing.

Undertoad · 03-17-2009, 02:32 PM

Wow congrats Nirvana, that was a remarkable achievement by you!

A lot of people say they've spent time with a world-class bitch but you really have!

Nirvana · 03-17-2009, 02:47 PM

Well thanks UT! I see a world class Bitch every time I look in the mirror

Shawnee123 · 03-17-2009, 07:24 PM

Nirvana, I read that really small dogs are known to have complications while giving birth. There are numerous things that can go wrong, and often end in giving the mom a c-section. Do you think c-sections are less risky to a dog's health than the spay procedure?

Nirvana · 03-17-2009, 08:35 PM

Since I have assisted in more than 50 [guess]of both surgeries I would say they have the same risks, the biggest being lack of skill on the part of the surgeon. The worst complication I have ever had was from a spay. The bitch almost died. I have never had a complication in a c section that ended in the death of the mother. [knock on wood] I have a very skilled veterinarian and my dogs are in their peak of health when they are bred.

ZenGum · 03-18-2009, 12:15 AM

So, ahh, did Obama get a dog yet?

ZenGum · 03-18-2009, 12:35 AM

Where do you think hobby horses come from?

03-17-2009, 01:47 PM	#1
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Why is a fee necessary for a hobby breeder? Let say a kennel in Maine has 10 intact females that is $650 per female that you have to pay the local government to have these dogs on top of what you paid to buy the dogs. [$6500.00]What part of how can anyone afford that are you missing? Most breeders are not selling the higher end dogs they retain them for breeding they sell one or two show and breeding quality puppies and the rest are the pets, in my breed pets are $450 and up that come from champion pedigrees. I do not place pets with papers for breeding. Sometimes I neuter them before they leave. You are incorrect about the dog"market" people are buying mutts, "designer mutts" which have the potential to have twice as many problems as purebreds because they carry the genes for different breeds. It is PC now to "rescue" which makes people feel all philanthropic until they get little foo foo home and he is a monster. Ask Ellen. I have never had more than 2-3 intact females at any given time thats just me, but I will speak up for those who have a right to keep as many as they can care for in a humane manner otherwise I and pet owners are next on the list. It will be illegal to own animals all because people do not understand what is going on in their own state legislature. For Dana; spaying is to occur at 6 months. I have two very tiny Chihuahuas 2lbs and I guess if I lived in a mandatory spay neuter area I would have to move rather then see if a vet would kill these two while performing a spay. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-17-2009, 01:56 PM	#4
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	The government is trying to tell you what to do in your own home. Your civil rights are being taken away. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-17-2009, 02:03 PM	#5
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	CM I don't think you understand that hobby breeding is not a commercial venture it is a "hobby", that means its costs money to do it, breaking even is a dream! The cost of supplies, veterinary care, dog shows, traveling can never be paid for by selling puppies. Lumping hobby breeders in with commercial kennels is wrong and will be the demise of quality purebred dogs and pet owners. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-17-2009, 02:25 PM	#6
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I bred the number one Chihuahua being shown in this country in 2000. She won Best In Show at an all breed event, 1 of only 5 long coats females in our breed to have ever won BIS and she won the breed at Westminster. I can ask what I want for puppies I just do not happen to breed very many, I place less than 3 puppies a year.. I would still only ask $450-$850 for pets. The term "pet" means to a hobby breeder a dog that cannot be shown and should not be bred because it has a minor flaw such as dentition problem, shoulder placement, nose color etc. From a good show breeder you can expect to pay $2500 for a show breeding dog. [ my breed]They will expect you to show them and just laying out the money will not guarantee you the dog they have a screening process and some will want to co own until the dog is a Champion.. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-17-2009, 02:26 PM	#7
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Ellen Degeneres and Oprah got bad deals when they bought dogs from rescue. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-17-2009, 11:35 AM	#3
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Nirvana, I havent time to go searching through the links, but at what age is the spaying supposed to occur?

03-17-2009, 06:39 PM	#9
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Thanks CM I am not a bragging type of person I only wanted to qualify my comments. I dunno if the dogs got a bad deal, they had wealthy owners willing to give them everything, its not their fault the one died nor is their fault that the other dog was not a good match for the owner. Just because someone calls themselves a dog rescue(r) doesn't mean they know what they are doing. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-17-2009, 02:32 PM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Wow congrats Nirvana, that was a remarkable achievement by you! A lot of people say they've spent time with a world-class bitch but you really have!

03-17-2009, 02:47 PM	#11
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Well thanks UT! I see a world class Bitch every time I look in the mirror __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-17-2009, 07:24 PM	#12
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Nirvana, I read that really small dogs are known to have complications while giving birth. There are numerous things that can go wrong, and often end in giving the mom a c-section. Do you think c-sections are less risky to a dog's health than the spay procedure? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-17-2009, 08:35 PM	#13
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Since I have assisted in more than 50 [guess]of both surgeries I would say they have the same risks, the biggest being lack of skill on the part of the surgeon. The worst complication I have ever had was from a spay. The bitch almost died. I have never had a complication in a c section that ended in the death of the mother. [knock on wood] I have a very skilled veterinarian and my dogs are in their peak of health when they are bred. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-18-2009, 12:15 AM	#14
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	So, ahh, did Obama get a dog yet? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

03-18-2009, 12:35 AM	#15
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Where do you think hobby horses come from? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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