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Old 04-21-2016, 05:07 PM   #1
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The thing is, the kind of man who would want to subtly ogle women peeing is the kind of man who decidedly would NOT dress as a woman in public, for that or any reason. And the kind of socially-fucked-up perv who would stare and masturbate and openly leer at a woman in the bathroom is the kind who wouldn't bother putting on a dress before walking in and doing it anyway.

FYI, all men are on some level a threat until we know them and/or prove otherwise. We do not somehow feel more vulnerable in your average public bathroom than we do in, say, any parking garage after 8 pm.
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:00 PM   #2
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Great video, if you haven’t seen it.



In brief, a young man realizes that his father, how hates black people, only knows one black family, and they are “good ones” –and he realizes that his father’s world view can’t possibly be accurate. And it was segregation of races that created the situation where his father only personally encountered a disproportionately small number of black people.

This got me to thinking… when people aren’t familiar with someone who is different from themselves, because they haven’t had a chance to interact with them, haven’t had a chance to learn that they are “okay” people, it is much easier to harbor unfair, discriminatory feelings about that group. Segregation of races created this situation, but we knew it because we could see who was different, by the color of their skin.

Fast forward to the national “bathroom laws” discussion issue and we don’t have the convenience of skin-colored segregation to define the group we are talking about. What unknowns there are that exist in this case are due to people’s familiarity with the issue—not necessarily their exposure to trans people, because they might not have known if they’ve ever interacted with a trans person. It's, literally, not a "black and white" situation.


So that's my ham-handed metaphor for the subject that's obviously super complicated and difficult to discuss, and people get all worked up about it for various reasons, but I think we should probably try to muddle through and talk about it anyway because it's not going away.
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:31 PM   #3
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... FYI, all men are on some level a threat until we know them and/or prove otherwise. ...
Does that include trans-men?
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Old 04-21-2016, 07:00 PM   #4
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The NC Legislature has been accused of attacking Trans people. I highly doubt that's the case, I doubt Trans people were considered at all, or that more than half the legislature were even aware Trans people existed. Those that did probably didn't think there were any outside of Greenwich Village, Frisco, Vegas, or Tijuana. I also highly doubt they had a clue this would stir up a shit storm, and weren't prepared for...



or for this...



Of course nobody would bat an eye if either of them went into the "wrong" bathroom, but I guess there's people who are not this convincing.
However if they repeal the law, Gravdigr will be free to use the ladies room once more.
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