Let's talk about Israel and Palestine...

[Big Sarge]

Originally Posted by BigV

Sarge-

Fuck you, you ignorant, hypocritical piece of shit.

Would you feel the same "it's nothing" if it were your daughters who were killed? If your answer is yes, then I will have nothing to do with you, ever again. If your answer is no, then explain to my how you think your love of your children is greater/better/more important than the love these bereft parents have for their children. If your answer is no, explain why your children matter more than those other children who have been killed.

Way to take it to a personal level with the name calling. Anyway, I'd be devastated if my children died. However, their will always be civilian casualties in asymmetric warfare. Seriously look at Israel's record as compared to the US, Great Britain, or NATO (specifically in Bosnia). Before you defame me again, talk to the other veterans in the Cellar about civilian casualties in combat. You have to learn to accept them to accomplish a mission. It is not the fault of the IDF, when Hamas uses human shields or even bombs their own citizens due to indiscriminate firing. None of you have even mentioned the Hamas strike on the synagogue before prayers on the Sabbath.

Dana - Hamas doesn't cut off your head, they shoot you. Remember we discussed the recent 18 executions. I cannot understand why you would support a country that practices female genital mutilation and other violence against women. The Palestinian Center for Democracy and Conflict Resolution report indicated that Palestinian women face many forms of violence, with 76.4% of Gazan women being subjected to emotional violence, 34.8% to physical violence, 14.9% to sexual violence, 78.9% to social violence and 88.3% to economic violence. I think we also need to review their LGBT record.

As far as converting them to Christian as was mentioned in a recent joke, the Islamization of Gaza has put increasing pressure on the tiny Christian minority. Following the Hamas takeover of Gaza in 2007, Abu Saqer, leader of Jihadia Salafiya, a rival group to Hamas, announced the opening of a "military wing" to enforce Muslim law in Gaza. "I expect our Christian neighbors to understand the new Hamas rule means real changes. They must be ready for Islamic rule if they want to live in peace in Gaza." Sheik Saqer has asserted that there is "no need" for Christians in Gaza to maintain Christian institutions and demanded that Hamas "must work to impose an Islamic rule or it will lose the authority it has and the will of the people."

In October 2007, Rami Khader Ayyad, owner of Gaza's only Christian bookstore, was abducted, beaten and murdered, after his bookstore was firebombed by an unidentified group attacking targets associated with Western influence. According to Ayyad's family and neighbors, he had regularly received anonymous death threats from people angered by his missionary work.

Now listen to me very closely. Some of you have all of these grand ideas, yet you never donned a uniform and stood up for anything. You sit in your ivory towers and condemn those who at least try to do something. Even with the recent child immigration issue, how many of you made donations to Catholic Charities to help. Oh everyone had an opinion, yet one again you sat on your hands. What a fine bunch of hypocrites.

I readily admit I don't seem to have the education that so many of you have. I admit I have brain trauma and suffer from PTSD. But you know something, I stood up for our country and my beliefs in combat and as a police officer. I may not be as smart as you, but at least I had the courage to try.

A couple of final thoughts, I never want to see another reference to napalming or deliberately firing on Vietnamese again. We have a Vietnamese refugee on here and you should at least think about how such phrases might hurt her. Now listen to me closely, “I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.”