Let's talk about Israel and Palestine...

[Undertoad]

But I don't see anywhere that supports your claim that women outnumber men three to one.

You're right, I misinterpreted other data during a somewhat non-sober period last night. Sorry about that.

I think it's clear from the body count on the Gazan side that Israel isn't being too careful who they hit--whatever the reason may be, sloppy, careless, accidental, aggressive, indiscriminate or intentional--whatever.

Right, and also Hamas isn't careful what it hits. Israel's bombs are precision-guided. Hamas's are not. Hamas has launched 3000 missiles so far. Untrained combatants point in the direction of Israel and fire. A good percentage of those fall short or go off course and land in Gaza. I read 10% but I don't know where that number came from. Gazans die from these misfires. I don't know how many.

Would the Arabs get their homeland if they put down their arms? Obviously not. Whoever disarms is dead.

The Arabs would definitely get their homeland if they put down their arms. Part of the reason Israel was created by the UN was that Jews were not exactly comfortable continuing to live in Europe. What they wanted was a place where they could live without the danger of annihilation. Once Israel was segmented off, Arab nations kicked out their Jews, since now there was a place they could go. A huge percentage of Jewish Israelis have a heritage only 2-3 generations old of seeking a place they could live in freedom without being racially hated and discriminated against and killed and such.

That is their expectation. And since the creation of Israel in 1948, we (meaning the rest of the civilized world) have a responsibility to make sure that happens. But somewhere down the road, Europe begged off its part of that responsibility.

It was actually at that point that the American dollars began to arrive. Once all of Arabia waged war on Israel and it was uncertain whether the Jews would survive, the US collectively said we better help out here.

And that was with all the support and involvement of the American left, to the point where the anticipated Democratic Presidential candidate (RFK) was assassinated in the first act of Arabic terrorism on US shores.

that's how I see it anyway, i could be wrong