Drone attacks

[Adak]

I'm not up to date on Cheney, but his black and white view on Iran's nuclear facilities, has merit. Saudi's have also been urging us to wipe out the nuclear facilities in Iran (as we learned from the stolen state dept. communications).

We have been jawing, and talking, and yakking and making the average joe in Iran, hate us. We've destroyed their economy with sanctions high and low- but their nuclear program has only increased by several thousand more centrifuges.

Since we've done nothing, Israel has done nothing, and the Saudi's feel threatened by a nuclear (shiite) Iran, so THEY have gone to Pakistan and are now purchasing nuclear weapons, from them.

So it looks like our inaction, has only caused a further spread of nuclear facilities and arms, in the Middle East.

There is a lot of sense in what you say, but despite your slanted view about Cheney, (and I'm not saying he's right on any matter, because I didn't hear the interview), we won't know which course of action was the best one to take, for decades. All we know right now, is:

1) Iran is still enlarging it's nuclear enrichment program, even with stringent sanctions in place, for several years now.

2) Still holding large "Death to America" rallies, as you might expect in Iran.

3) The Saudi's have felt threatened enough by Iran, to move ahead with buying nuclear weapons, from Pakistan.

4) Caused an obvious rift with Israel. Not a lasting rift, but it is significant, nonetheless.

So Obama's handling of the situation, has so far gone 0 for 4 in it's handling of the situation. Hard to call that a success.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

So Obama's handling of the situation, has so far gone 0 for 4 in it's handling of the situation. Hard to call that a success.

Right, he should have handed you a rifle and sent you over to straighten them the hell out.

I guess your desire to spend America's young men and women to bolster your pride, would help the unemployment situation.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Right, he should have handed you a rifle and sent you over to straighten them the hell out.

I guess your desire to spend America's young men and women to bolster your pride, would help the unemployment situation.

Iraq just today unveiled it's biggest unmanned drone ever. Able to reach Israel easily. 1,300 mile range, they say.

They haven't yet announced how the drone - equipped with missiles, is going to be useful in "medical research and treatments", like their nuclear material is.

Do you really believe that the Israeli's won't be attacking Iran if the negotiating fails? Of course, Iran has to be expecting that. They saw what the Israeli's did to the Syrian nuclear facility, year ago, and to the Syrian missiles going to Hamas, just recently.

Your argument is based on emotions, and after the stupid involvement in Vietnam, that's understandable. We tried the "let's not get involved, or be prepared" route in the past however, and it has never worked out well for us, over the long term.

Walking softly and carrying a teddy bear, will not deter many bad guys.

Perhaps a policy of letting every country have nuclear enrichment facilities dug into mountains, and drones and missiles able to deliver them, is a good idea, but it will be hell to get a restful nights sleep. In the long run, it's very likely to result in a nuclear war.

[Griff]

Where in the US is Israel again? I keep forgetting who is ultimately responsible for their security.

So far only countries who don't face MAD have been willing to go atomic. Small sample size but...

[xoxoxoBruce]

Iraq just today unveiled it's biggest unmanned drone ever. Able to reach Israel easily. 1,300 mile range, they say.

And this is my problem how?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

And this is my problem how?

Kuwait (Desert Storm) also was not your problem. So why did we go to war?

We do not know how many commitments we have with Israel. In part, because nobody has asked and would not ask until we 'have to' learn about them.

Japan, Australia, Turkey, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia also are not located in the continental US. So why do we have military deployed?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

Kuwait (Desert Storm) also was not your problem. So why did we go to war?

I don't know, I didn't go.

We do not know how many commitments we have with Israel. In part, because nobody has asked and would not ask until we 'have to' learn about them.

What do you mean we, white man?

Japan, Australia, Turkey, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia also are not located in the continental US. So why do we have military deployed?

So we can react quickly with disaster relief?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Adak

So Obama's handling of the situation, has so far gone 0 for 4 in it's handling of the situation. Hard to call that a success.

Yes, because there are obviously zero consequences with bombing Iran...

Sometimes we need to realize that we have much less control over these situation than we want to believe.