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Old 08-28-2013, 11:18 AM   #1
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Well as you know, the Lamplighter filter was built during a time when we had to fight to make sure everyone was treated equally, and discrimination was the very worst problem in the world USA.

Apply that filter to everything, and now Ms. Manning is a tortured soul because of stuff everybody else did to her. Not because of her internal psychology, which was based on a solid foundation of not being certain what gender she was. I'm being sarcastic, but think of how your own world would be rocked if you woke up one day and decided you were a woman. No really, think about it, because empathy is more important than sympathy.

Just because we've put T into the ever-expanding LGBTSTGNC inclusivity alphabet soup, in order to help build a world of inclusion and understanding, doesn't mean Ts are immediately afforded the kind of stability needed to have access to all the diplomatic secrets of the US.

That kind of stability hears the mocking and becomes this (from your link):

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Over time, the pressures took a toll. At Fort Drum, Manning was losing control, lashing out at his tormentors. He had trouble with roommates, screamed at superior officers, his fists in balls. His master sergeant wasn’t sure he was mentally fit to deploy to Iraq, fearing he could do harm to himself or others. By August 2009, the month of Manning’s last chats with ZJ, he’d been referred to an Army mental-health counselor. Even online, his bravado slipped away. On August 7, 2009, almost six months after he first reached out to ZJ, he popped up on her screen. It was 11:30 p.m., a Friday night at Fort Drum. “i don’t mean to sound over*dramatic, but im quite lonely,” he told her.
These are the words of a person with a TOP SECRET SECURITY CLEARANCE and you know what? I don't care why her troubles came about. The Army can become a mirror for the society's need for social fairness and inclusion. The top secret security clearance, however, cannot.

The Army knew she was troubled. If they had to overlook that because she was a T, as the Lamplighter filter suggests, then we have bigger problems and a lot more troubled people are going to get 35 year sentences.
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Old 08-29-2013, 05:22 AM   #2
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Manning thought of himself as honorable, even heroic
—“I guess I’m too idealistic,” he said. “i want people to see the truth
… regardless of who they are … because without information,
you cannot make informed decisions as a public.”
Horseshit. If you see something wrong, you leak the evidence of that wrong to the press, so the American public will become aware of that wrong and pressure the politicians to fix it. You don't take hundreds of thousands of documents you haven't even read and give them to a foreign national.
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Old 08-29-2013, 12:02 PM   #3
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Horseshit. If you see something wrong, you leak the evidence of that wrong to the press, so the American public will become aware of that wrong and pressure the politicians to fix it. You don't take hundreds of thousands of documents you haven't even read and give them to a foreign national.
so, you'd say, right response, wrong execution?
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:36 PM   #4
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The need for whistle blowers has proven to be valid, and they should be protected.
But this clown is no whistle blower, he's just an attention whore traitor. He exposed material that he had no idea if it was putting the lives of our soldiers, or anyone else, at risk or not. That's because he didn't give two shits about anyone but himself.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:07 AM   #5
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Manning did what she thought she had to do. She obviously isn't as bright or organized as Snowden but I don't want my whistleblowers to have to take IQ tests. She did what she thought she needed to, which in the context of Snowden's work appears sloppy and dangerous but there isn't a handbook for this.
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