The Real Mitt Romney

[Adak]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

I need some affection handouts.

And a good psychiatrist.

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

And a good psychiatrist.

Thank gawd you're here! Politician! Physician! Psychiatrist! You're the EveryProfessional!

But right now I'd really like some advice on my haircolor. I like the current color, but I'm thinking of adding some highlights. The problem is my hair grows so fast that I would have to pay all that money every 3 weeks, instead of doing it myself for ten bucks. (I mean, it's L'Oreal, and I AM worth it...)

Later, I have some etiquette issues to pick your brain about. I'm attending a Regatta Gala and I'm not sure of the appropriate attire.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Adak

Oh, people can use all the foul language they want, but they'll just get mostly the same from me.

Well I don't use foul language. I simply ask why Romney once called himself more liberal that Ted Kennedy. And got a completely irrelevant relpy from you that made no sense. And that completely ignored the question. Why is Romney more liberal that Kennedy when you seem to think he is conservative? Or does Romney routinely lie?

Do you think you might stop avoiding the question? Or does the Tea Party not have an answer?

[Adak]

Originally Posted by tw

Well I don't use foul language. I simply ask why Romney once called himself more liberal that Ted Kennedy. And got a completely irrelevant relpy from you that made no sense. And that completely ignored the question. Why is Romney more liberal that Kennedy when you seem to think he is conservative? Or does Romney routinely lie?

Do you think you might stop avoiding the question? Or does the Tea Party not have an answer?

Ask Mitt, when he's in the White House.

Here's a question for you:

Why did Obama ignore Ambassador Stevens request for help, and leave our Ambassador, and two CIA agents, to be killed by Al Qaeda affiliates?

This is the President you want to put your faith into for health care? He abandons an Ambassador and three decorated soldiers working for the CIA, under attack in a foreign country, and you believe he's going to give a shit about YOU?

Not after election day, he won't.

[infinite monkey]

Oh honey baby, it'll be OK.

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by SamIam

PS. And you think the Republicans tromping around in your bedroom is LESS intrusive government?

You know what's funny about this? Looking back at my wild college years, not one self-professed Conservative Republican (like law students) was worth a damn shit in bed. It was like fucking a dispassionate grubworm. A couple half-hearted grunts and a "I got mine...you get yours."

No wonder I gave up on that ilk and leaned towards the bleeding heart liberal starving artists...they knew how to LIVE.

*This foul language was brought to you by the letter F and the number 47.

[piercehawkeye45]

So liberals take "nice guys finish last" to a new level?

[infinite monkey]

(you all know, of course, I'm kidding. A little levity. Though, still, I can't remember any...oh never mind.)

[Pico and ME]

Sam, you are my hero!

[SamIam]

@ Adak -

First of all I apologize for my rather bealated reply. I have been checking out winter survival gear, deciding on the purchase of a mummy sleeping bag good down to zero degrees F. - or so the label claims.

Now where was I? Oh!

Originally Posted by Adak

This is VERY cynical stuff. Of course human life matters to me. What a question to ask!

Look here. If you are going to affiliate yourself with an organization - epecially a political one - you need to understand the values and goals espoused by groups that make up significant numbers of the members in the movement with which you have decided to support.

This would allow you to spare us your act of outraged innocence when you are questioned regarding some of the more outrageous actions carried out by your fellows.

In addition,you want to tell me to believe what you say and ignore what you do ("You" being conservatives). How can you expect that I or anyone else will be able to respond with anything EXCEPT cynicism?

I don't know where you got the idea that Conservatives would have this kind of calamity for the poor and disabled, but you have it quite twisted around.

There are endless sources which set forth the Tea Party dominated Republican Party's attitudes and plans for those programs which make up the (larely inadequate) social safety net currently in place in this country. Go read Ryan's proposed budget. Take a look at the explanations of Republican idealogy widely published all over the Internet, discussed constantly by reporters for every major news outlet, and gushing forth from Fox every time you are unfortunate enought to land your TV clicker on it channel. I'm not going to fill up this entire thread with the thousands of links to this information.

Instead, I will just mention a single incident that occurred a little over a year ago and which you would have had to be lying brain dead in a hospital bed to avoid knowing about. I refer of course to a moment from the Republican debates sponsored by the Tea Party in Septemper of 2011:

There were a zillion stories that came out about just what makes a human life valuable in the eyes of the Right wing, as well as the fate the unworthy among us should be subjected to.

Yahoo News had as good as coverage as any:

If you're uninsured and on the brink of death, that's apparently a laughing matter to some audience members at last night's tea party Republican presidential debate.

Texas Rep. Ron Paul, a doctor, was asked a hypothetical question by CNN host Wolf Blitzer about how society should respond if a healthy 30-year-old man who decided against buying health insurance suddenly goes into a coma and requires intensive care for six months. Paul--a fierce limited-government advocate-- said it shouldn't be the government's responsibility.

"That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks," Paul said and was drowned out by audience applause as he added, "this whole idea that you have to prepare to take care of everybody …"

"Are you saying that society should just let him die?" Blitzer pressed Paul. And that's when the audience got involved.

Several loud cheers of "yeah!" followed by laughter could be heard in the Expo Hall at the Florida State Fairgrounds in response to Blitzer's question.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/a...163216817.html



Hug and kiss Halliburten if you want. While I feel pretty disgusted by their antics, right now I am more concerned about whether I and every other low income disabled person will have our housing taken by Romney, so that the 4% of the National Budget that goes to housing vouchers can be re-directed to an already bloated defense fund which currently devours 20% of all government spending. Sounds logical to me.

[Adak]

Ron Paul is a nut extremist. He is a doctor, and he has some excellent comments about our Federal Reserve Banking system, BUT when it comes to anything else - He's a whack job.

And will never be elected Pres or VP, for that reason. Yes, he has his followers - in his own way he's a charismatic guy - but he's whacked. We had to put him into the primary debate, because he had enough support, in those first few states. He REALLY concentrated on them, because he knew he'd be toast afterward.

Don't even think about judging the Tea Party or Republicans, or Conservatives, by looking at guys like Ron Paul. You ignore Ron Paul, and I'll ignore your Maxine Waters, OK?

This is what we commonly see with the social welfare programs run by the gov't:

The authors also argue that because the definition of disability adopted in 1984 is quite broad, the DI program often functions in practice as an insurance program for unemployable workers. For example, when 130,000 DI beneficiaries whose primary impairment was drug or alcohol addiction were removed from the DI rolls in 1996, two-thirds of the terminated claimants managed to re-qualify for DI under a different impairment.

http://www.nber.org/bah/fall06/w12436.html

It's not that helping the needy is something we don't want to do, but this kind of half-assed approach that the politicians come up with, just gets played by lots of perfectly healthy people. I know two who qualified for this one, myself - nothing wrong with them. They just learned how to play the system, and the first guy, taught the second one, how to do it.

Looking at Obamacare, I see one great problem with it:

1) they allowed companies to opt out or not require it at all. So after supporting it to the skies when it was a bill, all the largest employer's have opted out of it, already, now that it's a law.

That reduces our economy of quantity considerably, and shifts the costs (including the fixed costs of starting it), onto far fewer patients.

If we're going to have a nationalized health care system (and I hope we do), we need a smarter one. Why not study the good and bad points of the other countries who have it, and use that as a template for our own?

A tax hike for that, I would support - but not for something where people are not included - that's just nuts. Everybody means everybody, and if it's not for everybody, then it should be for nobody.










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[Trilby]

I was beginning to seriously wonder if Adak was my older son (who is a flip-flop Republican but, honestly, I just think he wants to be on which ever team 'wins') but now I don't think he is.

My son doesn't own a truck. BUT HIS DAD DOES!

[glatt]

Originally Posted by SamIam

@ Adak -

First of all I apologize for my rather bealated reply. I have been checking out winter survival gear, deciding on the purchase of a mummy sleeping bag good down to zero degrees F. - or so the label claims.

I've got a mummy bag that's rated to 20 or something like that, but it starts getting uncomfortably cold when it's in the high 30s. Enough so you have trouble sleeping. So I bring a lightweight fleece blanket that I use as an extra layer inside the mummy bag. It helps considerably. Also, when it's that cold, you really need a foam pad to sleep on. An inflatable air mattress is too cold. You can always put the foam pad on top of an air mattress.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Adak

Looking at Obamacare, I see one great problem with it:

1) they allowed companies to opt out or not require it at all. So after supporting it to the skies when it was a bill, all the largest employer's have opted out of it, already, now that it's a law.

That's only one problem, there are many others from my perspective. But with the power of the Drug/Medical Appliance companies, Health Care conglomerates, AMA, and Insurance Company's, sway on K Street, great compromises had to be made or it would never happen... ever.
Hopefully, with enough push from the public, it will be improved until it's what we should have.

[Adak]

Yes, all the lobbyists and PAC's and such, are a significant barrier to progress. We've got to get some serious election reform underway.