Rape by Deception

xoxoxoBruce · 07-24-2010, 11:33 AM

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A Palestinian man has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with a woman who had believed him to be a fellow Jew.

Sabbar Kashur, 30, was sentenced to 18 months in prison on Monday after the court ruled that he was guilty of rape by deception. According to the complaint filed by the woman with the Jerusalem district court, the two met in downtown Jerusalem in September 2008 where Kashur, an Arab from East Jerusalem, introduced himself as a Jewish bachelor seeking a serious relationship. The two then had consensual sex in a nearby building before Kashur left.

When she later found out that he was not Jewish but an Arab, she filed a criminal complaint for rape and indecent assault.

Although Kashur was initially charged with rape and indecent assault, this was changed to a charge of rape by deception as part of a plea bargain arrangement.

This is just crazy.

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glatt · 07-24-2010, 12:28 PM

wtf?

It's not like Israel is some backwards ass county. How can they do this?

Shawnee123 · 07-24-2010, 12:30 PM

I, for one, welcome the new wryer glatt.

monster · 07-24-2010, 10:05 PM

So wait, what? Does this mean if you bed a woman with 44DDs and wake/sober up to realize they were implants you were raped?

squirell nutkin · 07-24-2010, 11:06 PM

I think MArk Twain wrote a short story about a man who married an eskimo woman and when they slept together he discovered that she had made her butt look bigger by wearing padded underwear.

He demanded an annulment and returned her dowry ( a pile of fish hooks) but one hook was missing and there was trouble about this (maybe he was killed or banished or whatever) and the girl was miserable and in the spring she found the fish hook had gotten stuck in her padded underwear.

I may be foggy on some details, there was a morality play in there somewhere. IIRC

piercehawkeye45 · 07-25-2010, 01:45 AM

Hmm....I wouldn't be "that" surprised if that happened here in the US but based on sex change/transvestite reasons instead of religion/race.

toranokaze · 07-25-2010, 03:33 AM

Even then I don't think the rape charge would have a change even if the gender was lied about. The only lie that would make a rape charge in the US is "I'm over 18", and even then the minor would not be at fault.

SamIam · 07-25-2010, 04:48 PM

This opens up a whole can of paybacks. Your SO leaves and you file for rape by deception because they said they'd stay forever. Or the guy or gal who swore there was no other when actually s/he had 6 other partners on a string - rape by deception. Of course there's always everyone's favorite - "I love you baby, and I'll respect you in the morning." Right. Rape by deception. How about, No, no! I'm not married." Liar! Rape by deception. The list goes on.

Frankly the decision by the Israeli court smacks of bigotry to me.

Shawnee123 · 07-25-2010, 08:37 PM

Women, or men, who claim to have been deceived after they willingly had sex with someone who "wasn't who they said they were" are just stupid to have fallen for it in the first place. Just my opinion. Try not fucking everyone you meet, you might have better odds.

squirell nutkin · 07-25-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam

Frankly the decision by the Israeli court smacks of bigotry to me.

You don't get out much do you, Sam?

SamIam · 07-25-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by squirell nutkin

You don't get out much do you, Sam?

No, the staff here likes to keep me from going any further than the grounds. But I do spit out my thorazine pill every night. HAH!

ZenGum · 07-26-2010, 09:36 AM

Gaining sexual favours by deception is a crime, at least here.

There was a great case ni the papers a few years back, some office drone stuck out with a secretary, but spent two years convincing her - through fake personas and such - that he was an Australian secret agent, and that it was in the national interest for her to assist him, and this developed into personal support and eventually sex. I obviously didn't care enough to remember the outcome, though, I was just so amazed that (a) someone would go to that much effort for one particular lay and (b) the woman fell for it - if she really did, and wasn't just playing along.
I can see some genuine needs for this law - not of the 'you swore you'd marry me' deception but the 'Bill? Not Jim, the other twin/guy in mask etc?' sort of thing.

glatt · 07-26-2010, 09:57 AM

Isn't wearing makeup a deception? Just about every woman is a rapist then.

Sheldonrs · 07-26-2010, 10:18 AM

Does "You said it was 10 inches!" count as deception?

Trilby · 07-26-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs

Does "You said it was 10 inches!" count as deception?

In my book - yes.

07-24-2010, 12:30 PM	#3
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07-24-2010, 10:05 PM	#4
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	So wait, what? Does this mean if you bed a woman with 44DDs and wake/sober up to realize they were implants you were raped? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

07-24-2010, 11:06 PM	#5
squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	I think MArk Twain wrote a short story about a man who married an eskimo woman and when they slept together he discovered that she had made her butt look bigger by wearing padded underwear. He demanded an annulment and returned her dowry ( a pile of fish hooks) but one hook was missing and there was trouble about this (maybe he was killed or banished or whatever) and the girl was miserable and in the spring she found the fish hook had gotten stuck in her padded underwear. I may be foggy on some details, there was a morality play in there somewhere. IIRC __________________ And now I'm finished posting.

07-25-2010, 01:45 AM	#6
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Hmm....I wouldn't be "that" surprised if that happened here in the US but based on sex change/transvestite reasons instead of religion/race. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

07-25-2010, 03:33 AM	#7
toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	Even then I don't think the rape charge would have a change even if the gender was lied about. The only lie that would make a rape charge in the US is "I'm over 18", and even then the minor would not be at fault. __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

07-24-2010, 12:28 PM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	wtf? It's not like Israel is some backwards ass county. How can they do this?

07-25-2010, 04:48 PM	#8
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	This opens up a whole can of paybacks. Your SO leaves and you file for rape by deception because they said they'd stay forever. Or the guy or gal who swore there was no other when actually s/he had 6 other partners on a string - rape by deception. Of course there's always everyone's favorite - "I love you baby, and I'll respect you in the morning." Right. Rape by deception. How about, No, no! I'm not married." Liar! Rape by deception. The list goes on. Frankly the decision by the Israeli court smacks of bigotry to me.

07-25-2010, 08:37 PM	#9
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Women, or men, who claim to have been deceived after they willingly had sex with someone who "wasn't who they said they were" are just stupid to have fallen for it in the first place. Just my opinion. Try not fucking everyone you meet, you might have better odds. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

07-26-2010, 09:36 AM	#12
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Gaining sexual favours by deception is a crime, at least here. There was a great case ni the papers a few years back, some office drone stuck out with a secretary, but spent two years convincing her - through fake personas and such - that he was an Australian secret agent, and that it was in the national interest for her to assist him, and this developed into personal support and eventually sex. I obviously didn't care enough to remember the outcome, though, I was just so amazed that (a) someone would go to that much effort for one particular lay and (b) the woman fell for it - if she really did, and wasn't just playing along. I can see some genuine needs for this law - not of the 'you swore you'd marry me' deception but the 'Bill? Not Jim, the other twin/guy in mask etc?' sort of thing. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

07-26-2010, 09:57 AM	#13
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Isn't wearing makeup a deception? Just about every woman is a rapist then.

07-26-2010, 10:18 AM	#14
Sheldonrs Master Dwellar Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,412	Does "You said it was 10 inches!" count as deception? __________________ Laugh and the world laughs with you; cry and the world laughs AT you.

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