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Old 06-04-2010, 11:50 AM   #1
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I only feel obligated to tell the truth to people I care about, and then only if they want to know*. I don't owe it to anyone else.

*Usually, they just want validations of their own opinions.
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:21 PM   #2
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If you're ok with lying it must mean you're ok with being lied to.
Does that mean you trust everyone, or trust no one?
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Old 06-04-2010, 01:06 PM   #3
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If you're ok with lying it must mean you're ok with being lied to.
Does that mean you trust everyone, or trust no one?
I assume I'm always being lied to. I haven't been disappointed yet.

To put it in less stark terms, I assume I have no insight into other's real POV, motivations or standards. I (usually) will play along at whatever game they portray at any given moment.

I lost my trust when CP violation was proved.
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Old 06-04-2010, 07:01 PM   #4
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I assume I'm always being lied to. I haven't been disappointed yet.

To put it in less stark terms, I assume I have no insight into other's real POV, motivations or standards. I (usually) will play along at whatever game they portray at any given moment.

I lost my trust when CP violation was proved.
CP violation?

In general I trust people unless I'm given reason not too. I've been disappointed many times, but it's not even a conscious thing... It occurs to me that people are often incorrect, but I'm continuously surprised that they lie.

I'm talking about real lies here, not what you say to annoying cow orkers fishing for compliments about their retarded new haircut - I agree with you on that front. I mean unsolicited deception.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:43 AM   #5
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CP violation?

In general I trust people unless I'm given reason not too. I've been disappointed many times, but it's not even a conscious thing... It occurs to me that people are often incorrect, but I'm continuously surprised that they lie.

I'm talking about real lies here, not what you say to annoying cow orkers fishing for compliments about their retarded new haircut - I agree with you on that front. I mean unsolicited deception.
That's a great way to put it: unsolicited deception. It feels almost like a diss to me, like they're saying "yes, you can't handle the truth." Well, I betcha I can. Otherwise, shut it!

I tend to warily trust people until they give me a reason not to, as well. I have known some skilled liars. The first inlking of deception, then, throws me into DEFCON 1 and it's unlikely I'll ever really trust that person again...even if it was a moment of weakness or apprehension on their part. Because I am naively honest, I don't understand why lies have to enter into it at all.

It's OK to be a private person, to not regurgitate every thought, to not put oneself completely 'out there' but whatever comes out should be truthful...or everything else becomes suspect.
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:49 PM   #6
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Anyone who believes that lies are never necessary has never had parents or been in a relationship.
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I only feel obligated to tell the truth to people I care about, and then only if they want to know*. I don't owe it to anyone else.

*Usually, they just want validations of their own opinions.
Interesting dichotomy. I have to agree with Sheldon.
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