What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

classicman · 04-27-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I don't know jinx, but people just don't trust cops, and illegal aliens certainly have good reason to fear the police.

Ya think? Maybe thats because they are criminals. Maybe thats a better term for them. Illegal criminals.
(ya I know its a double - that was intentional)
I don't particularly like the laws vagueness nor do I like the idea of just granting them amnesty. That seems to be a very short-sighted, politically motivated answer.
We'll be in the same position in a few years or a decade again as they will continue to flood through.

Again and again, Until we secure the borders, nothing will change.

Spexxvet · 04-27-2010, 12:26 PM

How can you trust cops, but not trust the government. There are trustworthy and untrustworthy individuals in both fields.

classicman · 04-27-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

can an illegal immigrant get a driver's license in Arizona?

I actually think so, but I'm not positive.

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If you're a legal immigrant on a VISA, wouldn't you keep it handy? or know the numbers by heart?

Yes, I would. I always have some form of ID on me - just in case of an emergency.

richlevy · 05-18-2010, 09:15 PM

But what does the absence of papers prove? A drivers license is not proof of citizenship. So how would someone prove that they are a citizen?

This reminds me of the movie Born in East L.A. where Cheech gets deported.

jinx · 05-18-2010, 09:27 PM

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A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS
35 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW
36 ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
37 1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
38 2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
39 3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL
40 IDENTIFICATION.
41 4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES
42 BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT
43 ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.

TheMercenary · 04-27-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Again and again, Until we secure the borders, nothing will change.

And that's a fact.

04-27-2010, 12:26 PM	#2
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05-18-2010, 09:15 PM	#4
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	But what does the absence of papers prove? A drivers license is not proof of citizenship. So how would someone prove that they are a citizen? This reminds me of the movie Born in East L.A. where Cheech gets deported. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

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