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[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I agree completely that money can (and does) corrupt.

But where did it change DeLay's ideology or Jefferson's....or any sitting elected official? Where/when did they vote against their ideology?

When did DeLay take money to vote FOR a strong government regulatory program as opposed to supporting the position of the business community? When did Jefferson vote against the Democratic position on a bill?

How do you know what their ideology is and was from the beginning? Can you tell me that you are reading their minds? It is not about voting for or against Demoncrats, it is about voting for and inserting favorable legislation which supports lobbyists and big business interests. You act like you don't know any of this.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

How do you know what their ideology is and was from the beginning? Can you tell me that you are reading their minds?

If you are not willing to accept that there are significant ideology differences between the two major parties (and individual officials) on most (not all) policy issues based on platforms, campaigns, voting records, etc....there is little to discuss.

Carry on.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

If you are not willing to accept that there are significant ideology differences between the two major parties (and individual officials) on most (not all) policy issues based on platforms, campaigns, voting records, etc....there is little to discuss.

I never said anything about "differences between the two major parties", that has nothing to do with this discusssion. You are the one who brought up the esoteric idea that a politicians "ideology" in someway had an effect on their basic and inherent coruptness. Don't let the facts get in the way of your defense of the Demoncrats or any politician in power for that matter. You asked me to provide you with examples and I did so, numerous.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

How do you know what their ideology is and was from the beginning? Can you tell me that you are reading their minds?.

Nope..no mind reading.

I can only say that I interacted with members of Congress for more than 10 years, both from within (Senate staff) and from the other side (public interest lobbyist).. and those interactions were with both those with whom I agreed and those with whom I didnt. And, I think it gives me more insight into what motivates them than many, including you.

For the last 10 years, my interactions have been more with state and local elected officials (governors and mayors), some of whom have gone on to higher office and others with those aspirations...not for the money, but to pursue an ideology.

How many elected officials have you actually spoken with in your lifetime to know what motivates them?

Or you can find a handful of examples of those who were corrupted and make sweeping generalizations without providing any evidence of how positions or ideology where changed by money.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Nope..no mind reading.

Or you can find a handful of examples of those who were corrupted and make sweeping generalizations without providing any evidence of how positions or ideology where changed by money.

But yet you admit you have no idea what their ideology really is, only what you believe them to believe. Not by their actions. I take it the other way. And if the behavior of the Current Congress is any measure it further validates that they are in it for power and not for some esoteric "ideology" you care care to hang your hat on. Their actions speak their ideology for them.

But then again you are a nameless faceless internet poster just like me and you expect me to trust you?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

make sweeping generalizations without providing any evidence of how positions or ideology where changed by money.

If you believe that ideology drives them then what is the ideology of these, much more than a few, examples of corrupt politicians. If their ideology did not change due to money then they must have been corrupt from the very beginning of their entry into politics, right?

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