Computers the control the power grid have been hacked

[classicman]

So what you are saying is that the answer to almost ever discussion on the board is more Gov't control.

Originally Posted by classicman

So what you are saying is that the answer to almost ever discussion on the board is more Gov't control.

Not quite.

I am saying that there are areas in which government regulation (not the same as government control) would, IMO, be more effective than relying on the private sector ("free market") participation in voluntary guidelines.

National security issues relating to the nation's infrastructure would be one of those areas.

Wall Street (banking/financial services) is another...as are environmental protection, food safety.....

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Not quite.

I am saying that there are areas in which government regulation (not the same as government control) would, IMO, be more effective than relying on the private sector ("free market") participation in voluntary guidelines.

National security issues relating to the nation's infrastructure would be one of those areas.

Wall Street (banking/financial services) is another...as are environmental protection, food safety.....

AKA, Big Government = Better.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

AKA, Big Government = Better.

Not exactly.

Reasonable government regulation = better than voluntary industry compliance of essential services in order to protect the health and welfare of the citizens.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Not exactly.

Reasonable government regulation = better than voluntary industry compliance in essential services to protect the health and welfare of the citizens.

Previous attempts at that have created big bloated bureaucracies, inefficiency, and cost over-runs. Sorry, I don't buy into that.

Time will tell with the intervention and take over of the numerous banking, credit, and insurance sectors, and now with the auto industry. But they have failed miserably in health care.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Previous attempts at that have created big bloated bureaucracies, inefficiency, and cost over-runs. Sorry, I don't buy into that.

Time will tell with the intervention and take over of the numerous banking, credit, and insurance sectors, and now with the auto industry. But they have failed miserably in health care.

It succeeded with protecting the environment. It succeeded with protecting food and drug safety and other consumer products. It succeeded with ensuring workplace safety and basic workers rights. It succeeded with ensuring the safe transportation of hazardous material by rail or truck as well as airline passenger safety (I could go on) ....to no detriment of the regulated industries.

And no one is talking about government "taking over" anything for the long term.

It is fear mongering to compare government regulation with government take-over or government control.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

It succeeded with protecting the environment. It succeeded with protecting food and drug safety. It succeeded with ensuring workplace safety and basic workers rights....

And no one is talking about government "taking over" anything for the long term.

It is fear mongering to compare government regulation with government take-over or government control.

Environment- yep, till Bush got into power, then no.

Food and Drugs- Nope, not under either Bush or Clinton.

Workplace safety- 50/50. Pretty good job.

IMHO it is not fear mongering when the President of his minions can have the president of a major US Automaker step down. It is not fear mongering when you watch as the Government slowly takes over or gains influence over the major banking, credit, and lending aspects of the private industry while it bankrupts our grandchildren's future with deficit spending.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Redux

It succeeded with protecting the environment. It succeeded with protecting food and drug safety and other consumer products. It succeeded with ensuring workplace safety and basic workers rights. It succeeded with ensuring the safe transportation of hazardous material by rail or truck as well as airline passenger safety (I could go on) ....to no detriment of the regulated industries.

And no one is talking about government "taking over" anything for the long term.

It is fear mongering to compare government regulation with government take-over or government control.

Yea, it's just too bad many of those things have been compromised over the past 8 years.