Does Anyone feel like Bailing

[xoxoxoBruce]

The "government" is three branches. Congress needs "cleaning up" the most. The Executive branch can supply leadership, and block some mismanagement, but congress is where the most damage is done.

That's one of the reasons the candidates don't get into specifics. It's that not only would the campaigns get bogged down in the details, that most people don't understand anyway, but the congress is the only one that can deal with this. The executive branch can only try to herd the cats.

[tw]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

Problem is I don't BELIEVE Obama. I don't believe in him. I don't understand the vague ambiguities that come out of his mouth. I can't stand his smirky face.His finger flipping, lipstick poking politics.

Then you must also hate McCain for same reasons.

Your emotions should never be reason for such decisions. Making a decision on how you 'feel' makes one the perfect patsy for Rush Limbaugh logic. How to get the naive to vote for you? Get them to think using emotion - decisions only based in first impressions. And yes, that is racism. Racism is not about race. Racism is also judging people only on first impressions.

McCain campaign has absorbed the George Jr wackos who, for example, got the VP selection changed to someone who represents wacko extremist agendas. Do you want someone who promotes the party agenda only because you feel?

George Sr had the same problem. He very much disliked the wacko extremists who eventually took major positions in his administration. He, like McCain, had no choice. Party power is located mostly among wackos which is why moderates (such as Sen Collins of Maine) survive with so little party support.

Do you want George Jr people in power? You get them when voting for McCain. Same people who cause George Sr so much aggravation. Same people who George Sr would not have had if given the choice.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Brianna

Does Anyone feel like Bailing AIG and Lehman out?

Because I don't.


I. Do. Not.

Don't tell me it's all for the greater good, it will be worse if we don't,etc. Let the CEO's and CFO's bail their companies out. Mohterf******rs!!!

Am I the only one who feels this way?

I think it's interesting that 5-10 years ago, it was the banks and credit card companies that lobbied for changes to the bankruptcy laws so that individuals would find it much harder to file for bankruptcy and gain protection from their creditors. These lenders were engaging in predatory lending and wanted to be able to keep the thumbscrews on their debtors to collect every last cent.

Now it's the banks who need the protecting, and they are coming to the tax payers to ask for the handout.

They didn't want us to have protection, and now they are begging for protection.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by glatt

They didn't want us to have protection, and now they are begging for protection.

Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout. I say we string each and every one of them up in a public square, then shoot killer bees at them.


The French had a way with dealing with people like these assholes. It's called the Guillotine and they only had to use it ONCE to show the people meant business.

And these CEO's, CFO's? Why, they get to Yacht away into the sunset with a gaggle of giggling girl-mistresses and all OUR cash. VENDETTA!!! I just can't keep living like this! I want a revolution.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Brianna

you mean the Dream of the Middle class is truly over?


And to kill my spirit even more---McCain is leading here in Ohio. Holy shite I cannot believe my neighbors. I really, really cannot. I shake my head in complete disbelief.

Heh... what's a middle class?

I don't know, Bri. I look around and I just have to shake my head in disbelief. I mean, WTF? The only thing I can come up with is that there was a secret little place where you used a secret password to get in. Once in, you signed a secret little paper that said if you kept everything on the down low, you would get some kind of kickback from all the hell the middle class has had to bear, some monetary kickback from the fat oilcats and fat bankcats. The other side of that was that, if you ran your mouth, you were killed, or sent to Iraq. Either or.


Because otherwise...WTF?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

Then you must also hate McCain for same reasons.

I dislike both of them for pretty much the same reasons. First of all they are politicians and secondly, since getting the "nod" the extremists in both parties are now involved in their respective campaigns exponentially more than at the beginning. The leftist extremists are just as bad as the righty tighties.

What is your opinion of the top leftist whackos? I hate to assume this, but it seems as though you only shoot at the right and not both.

[Trilby]

Da right has done me wrong.

[Pico and ME]

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

What is your opinion of the top leftist whackos? I hate to assume this, but it seems as though you only shoot at the right and not both.

Wackos from either side get the contempt they earn. However the lefty wackos were not sending corporate welfare to their chosen companies and religious groups, were not subverting any effort to avert 11 September, were not assigning White House lawyers to rewrite science to properly reflect their political agenda, were not hyping a pathetic man to Mars program only for the glory of their administration, did not try to kill the Hubble Space Telescope, did not stifle fundamental medical science (ie stem cells) only to impose their religion on mankind, did not lower the income of Americans while massively enriching the few richest, were not inventing myths (ie Saddam's involvement on 11 Sept) only to promote more war, did not lie about the massive debts and the resulting recession that must result, did not keep spending massively on 'rebate' programs to only make themselves look good, did not subvert education with "more children left behind" nonsense, did not endorse interference with Terry Schiavo, did not keep American drug prices 40% higher and impose a cost on Medicaid that will only massively increase more entitlements (measured in $trillions over ten years), did not routinely wiretap everyone in some mythical fear that we all conspire to perform terrorism, did not subvert mileage standards so that engineers in the auto industry are further stifled by the bean counters, did not openly conduct torture and international kidnapping - and deny it, did not impose illegal tariffs to protect anti-American big steel while destroying jobs in the productive steel reprocessing industry, did not go to California for a campaign fund raiser when everyone knew a category five hurricane would strike New Orleans, subverted the HAVA standards for electronic voting machines, denied damage to New Orleans for over five days while people had no food or water in the SuperDome and Convention Center (and while the USS Bataan sat only miles away forbidden to offer assistance), did not subvert writ of Habeas Corpus, did not unilaterally subvert numerous international treaties as to all but restart the cold war, did not subvert anti-aids programs in Africa so at to impose wacko extremists Christian beliefs, did not stifle American aid to tsunami victims even with the USS Abraham Lincoln sitting nearby in Hong Kong and unable to provide assistance for five days, did not try to create a shooting war with China over a silly spy plane, did not alienate every American ally including Mexico, Canada and even the 90% approval rating in Turkey smashed to single digits, did not subvert the Carter plan to bring N Korea back into the world on some myth called 'axis of evil', did not earn contempt from virtually the entire JAG, did not increase pork barrel legislation by a factor of ten, did not virtually destroy readiness of American arm forces including the elimination of the once always considered essential Division Ready Brigade, ...

Just a few of the reasons off the top as to why right wing wacko extremists are so dumb and so anti-American.

My complaint with wacko extremist left? They remained mute while all this was ongoing.

[Elspode]

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

We may or may not need to bail them out. I certainly don't want to do it with a) $700 billion that b) will be spent entirely at the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury with c) absolutely no oversight whatsoever.

Why should Bush and Cheney get to have all the fun tapping the public femoral cash artery? The American public has plenty of blood left for all of the vampires.

I've been saying this throughout the entire second term...the sole reason for this administration has been to drain as much money out of the public pockets as possible, probably to sink into hard commodities to ride out the coming global financial upheaval in style.

Back to work, if you can find it, serfs.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by classicman

I dislike both of them for pretty much the same reasons. First of all they are politicians and secondly, since getting the "nod" the extremists in both parties are now involved in their respective campaigns exponentially more than at the beginning. The leftist extremists are just as bad as the righty tighties.

Exactly.

There is 10% of us who will vote based on who makes their hand shake less when attempting to check their box on Nov.4th.

[classicman]

Well tw, given a blank canvas to work with you found virtually no fault with any of the democratic leadership. None whatsoever, in fact. If that is all you have to say, it says a great deal about how firmly entrenched in the left you are. I asked a specific question and you seem to have done nothing but turned it around again onto the right.

Its very telling that you said not one thing about congress.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The "government" is three branches. Congress needs "cleaning up" the most. The Executive branch can supply leadership, and block some mismanagement, but congress is where the most damage is done.

That's one of the reasons the candidates don't get into specifics. It's that not only would the campaigns get bogged down in the details, that most people don't understand anyway, but the congress is the only one that can deal with this. The executive branch can only try to herd the cats.

Perhaps you missed this tw, I think it warrants repeating.

[tw]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

There is 10% of us who will vote based on who makes their hand shake less when attempting to check their box on Nov.4th.

As AIG was crashing, McCain read directly from the script written by his new staff. "Our economy is sound" - a direct quote from what his new staff had written for George Jr. Well McCain realized his mistake later in that day and stopped reading that speech. But the speech was written by those who now run his campaign - the same people who designed political strategy for George Jr.

"Our economy was not sound" according to those who were trying to avoid an economic meltdown. But McCain was quoting the exact same phrase - word for word - that George Jr said. Does that sound like change - or that McCain's staff is now subverted with George Jr wacko extremists?

[glatt]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

I wanted Hillary as Pres. I am protesting but it won't be a protest vote, nor a color of the skin vote. It's a look at the facts about whom has done what.

Originally Posted by skysidhe

There is 10% of us who will vote based on who makes their hand shake less when attempting to check their box on Nov.4th.

I simply don't understand positions like yours. In the political spectrum, Hillary is much closer to Obama than to McCain. Did you support Hillary because of her politics, or for some other reason?

Originally Posted by skysidhe

I understand who is to blame and those who did it. I think deregulation is wrong. I always thought so. I can even say, "I told you so" to those who bashed me for bashing Bush' Waay back when but anyway, I didn't like Bush then and I still don't. I still am democratic in my basic philosophy but these parties are so in the pockets of special interests on both sides.l

The republicans are the party that has pushed deregulation, and much of what they have deregulated has turned to piles of stinking poo because greedy robber barons end up thriving and screwing us. The Savings and Loans in the 80s, the the rolling blackouts in California and the fall of Enron, and now the banks.

What about the Savings and Loans debacle in the 80's? McCain was one of the Keating Five who took campaign contributions in exchange for obstructing the investigation into one of the failed Savings and Loans. Do you really want a member of the Keating Five to try to lead us out of this mess?

Obama on the other hand, has no such skeletons in his closet. And he is tapping a lot of the top economic advisers who worked under Bill Clinton. I miss the Clinton years. The economy was very strong then, we had peace, and the government even had a surplus.

Looking at both campaigns this past week, it seems that Obama is better. Neither candidate has much more information that what they read in the paper, so they can't really say what they can do to lead us out of this mess. Obama has basically said that he's in no position to second guess the Fed and Treasury and has kept his mouth shut, and McCain is running around saying he'll fire people, no wait, he'll just see about getting rid of them, he'll appoint a 9/11 commission. He opposes, no wait, he now supports the bailout of AIG and then finally settles down and takes the same position as Obama to just let the Fed and Treasury do their jobs.


As far as the topic of this thread goes, I think we have no choice but to bail out these banks, but I don't like it. I'd like to see some sort of strings attached, like increased regulation. And maybe putting the CEOs in pillories on Wall Street for a day or two so we can all go by and kick them in the ass.