Kenya in Crisis

[classicman]

Since YOU brought it up - Yes tw, I will take your diparaging tone as an affront. I have read hundreds of your posts from years back to the present. You write with a pompous tone. Whether that is intended or not - that is your deficiency. I am not the only one to see it, I am just more vocal about it. We all have things to work on to improve ourselves in life. Perhaps this could be yours.

As to the real discussion. Yes I have read both your posts in this thread very carefully. I am well aware of your different opinions. That is why I found it interesting that BOTH OF YOU came to the same conclusion through very different thought processes.
Amazing actually that the two of you both think we should stay out of there and let them figure it out for themselves.
There is a lot of irony in your last post - guess you didn't read mine well enough.

Originally Posted by classicman

..... you ..... think we should stay out of there and let them figure it out for themselves.

I wouldn't have the slightest doubt (if such reports were to come to light) that the American CIA are responisible for the whole problem from the very beginning. Implementing political unrest (in another country) would be keeping in true form with standard CIA procedure if such unrest might lead to increased American influence and (ultimately) American control.

The British Empire relied on "Divide and Rule" tactics. The Americans rely on "Destroy and Reconstruct".

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Aretha's doctor

I wouldn't have the slightest doubt (if such reports were to come to light) that the American CIA are responisible for the whole problem from the very beginning. Implementing political unrest (in another country) would be keeping in true form with standard CIA procedure if such unrest might lead to increased American influence and (ultimately) American control.

The British Empire relied on "Divide and Rule" tactics. The Americans rely on "Destroy and Reconstruct".

Everything is America's fault - as usual.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by classicman

Everything is America's fault - as usual.

Nope, just problems that have occurred after 1945.

And you think I'm joking...

But seriously, we have fucked up many countries.

Originally Posted by William Blum

“Between 1945 and 2005 the United States has attempted to overthrow more than 40 foreign governments, and to crush more than 30 populist-nationalist movements struggling against intolerable regimes... In the process, the U.S. caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair.” (Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Blum#Quotations

[ZenGum]

And on a similar note, some folks claim that the rise of LSD was due to the CIA using it to distract the anti-war movement:

In the book Acid Dreams, authors Martin A. Lee and Bruce Shlain explore the way drugs destroyed the focus of the anti-war movement, pointing to links between major drug-dealers and the Central Intelligence Agency.

(Mentioned in passing here.)

Given some of the things the CIA did do, I wouldn't rule out anything.
I'd love to work for the CIA. You get to do all sorts of crazy shit.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Nope, just problems that have occurred after 1945.

You're not far from the truth. Considering most of what's happened since then I must admit that I have similar thoughts.

One incident that's still a question mark for me though is Korea. I'm inclined to believe that the Americans were "the good guys" there but I'm afraid to say it out loud for fear of getting a ton of agro from those who are more "in the know" than I am. What's your opinion?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Aretha's doctor

One incident that's still a question mark for me though is Korea. I'm inclined to believe that the Americans were "the good guys" there but I'm afraid to say it out loud for fear of getting a ton of agro from those who are more "in the know" than I am. What's your opinion?

I don't know enough about the topic to give an answer. Most times conflicts don't even have good guys versus bad guys too so who knows.

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by Aretha's doctor

One incident that's still a question mark for me though is Korea.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I don't know enough about the topic to give an answer. Most times conflicts don't even have good guys versus bad guys too so who knows.

But ... but ... you were there! You and Radar both!

Or were you just overwhelmed by the stupid futility of it all for 23 & 1/2 minutes per week?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Nope, just problems that have occurred after 1945.

And you think I'm joking...

But seriously, we have fucked up many countries.

Blum is an ass with an axe to grind, but thats fine - blame it all on America. Its fine, really. Just stop and think REALISTICALLY where the world would be without all we've done as a country and world leader - good and bad.