Kenya in Crisis
 

After recent elections in Kenya, domestic strife is out of control which this article describes in detail.

Is it Rwanda all over again, and will the international community once again sit by and let it happen?

I don't know, is the UN involved? If yes, then it is possible there will be a genocide.

Why would you say that?

During Rawanda's Genocide the UN and Madame Albright knew all about it and sat back and watched it happen. some 800,000 people were hacked to death, stabbed, and burned to death in a peroid of about 4 months. The UN is an inept organization that sucks up US tax payer dollars {IMHO}.

So... rwanda would have been better WITHOUT the UN?
Kenya will be better WITHOUT the UN?

I can buy the argument that the UN isn't gonna do jack shit, but i dont buy it that they'll actually make it worse.

Everyone would be better without the UN.

UN admits Rwanda genocide failure

The United Nations Security Council has explicitly accepted responsibility for failing to prevent the 1994 genocide in Rwanda in which an estimated 800,000 people were killed.
In the first formal response to a report critical of the UN's role, council members acknowledged its main finding that their governments lacked the political will to stop the massacres.

Most of the 2,500 UN peacekeepers in Rwanda at the time were withdrawn after the deaths of 10 Belgian soldiers.

At a council debate, the Canadian Foreign Minister, Lloyd Axworthy, said none present could look back without remorse and sadness at the failure to help the people of Rwanda in their time of need.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/714025.stm

I'm with you on this Ibram. I think Mercs summation of the situation is incorrect.

I'm aware of what happened in Rwanda and the role the UN played. At least they played a role. They did what they were supposed to do but it wasn't nearly enough. It could never be.

I don't think this should become an argument about whether or not the UN is a useful organization or not, although I would ask that if the UN did enter Kenya and create peace, would it then be seen as useful, and if so what would need to happen to ensure this outcome?

If it's not up to the UN, then should anyone in the international community step in to stop the genocide that will surely occur?

No, let the chips fall where they will. The US has been dragged into a number of these things and all we get is beat up by the international community. The African Union has failed to stop the killing in Darfur, the Ethiopians are in Somalia and it has been nothing but a mess. We went into Bosnia and got beat up for that as well. Let the Africans figure it out on their own. We have no business there.

or maybe you mean, nothing to gain by going there

Not at all. What did we gain in Bosina? How about Somalia? Oil? Slaves? what?

What he means is no oil available - therefore let them burn. We hate them because they have nothing for us.

Bosnia is the perfect example of how diplomacy works and how problems should be solved. The wacko extremists among us will deny this only because they hate Clinton and Clinton showed how problems can be solved. Clinton did it right; therefore it must be wrong – the Rush Limbaugh diatribe. Use political rhetoric rather than reality to determine what to do (and then blame the UN).

Shame is that Kenya only ten years ago was a model of African stability. A nation of warm relations to and a strong attachment to America. What has changed? According to TheMercenary, we don't care. They don't have anything we need. Therefore they are scumbags who should be left to rot on their own. Amzing the contempt TheMercenary has for one of America’s closest friends.

TheMercenary has advocated hate - the real agenda of politics that even blame the UN for all world problems.

I see the problem as forcing two nationalistic ethnic groups in the same political state.

I have two questions. First, what can we realistically do? Second, if we did stop the genocide, would we really have solved anything?

If we do stop the killings, we are not getting rid of the conditions that led to the killings, so by just stop killings, we are just pushing back the genocide to a later date where it will probably just be even worse. Big catch 22.

It’s a great pity.

I was hitch-hiking through Africa in the late 70’s and Kenya was one of the true gems of East Africa. In Nairobi an aged, white man (a remnant of the colonial times) gave me a lift in his Wolseley. He told me that he hoped he’d be dead “before the old man” (Kenyatta) because he figured that Kenyatta was the only thing standing between sanity and chaos. Maybe he was right.