Ode to the full service gas station

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I can't imagine two other people who could argue so much over automobile maintenance.

I was simply offering my help to cloud and got lambasted for it - since the first post I have been like WTF did I do?

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Not so, Shawnee. Men have been debating maintenance of motor vehicles, and before that draught animals/wagons, since forever.
What did you think the guys were talking about in the garage all Saturday afternoon, girls?

I'm from the, there's no such thing as too much maintenance, school.

Ah, yes. I stand corrected!

Originally Posted by classicman

I was simply offering my help to cloud and got lambasted for it - since the first post I have been like WTF did I do?

Just messin' with you, classic.

[tw]

Requoted from classicman’s citation:

Normally an alignment will hold for 5,000-10,000 km

If true, then everyone spends $100 for wheel alignment during every oil change – every 3 months? Classicman’s proof is that? Nonsense. Who would be so stupid or foolish to waste money? One knows frequent $100 checks are required because some English major says so? Classicman recommends frequent alignments using same logic that proved Saddam had WMDs. He knows only because others say so.

I asked classicman for his ‘whys’. Now obvious is why classicman promotes this myth. Camber and caster may not ‘hold’? Hold? What ‘unholds’ when no adjuster exists to move? Classicman knows only because others say so rather than asking a damn simple question. Where is that missing adjuster?

Every 7500 kilometers, align a non-existent adjuster to correct movement that cannot exist? Or align to bent parts? How foolish.

Classicman’s citation says why frequent $100 wheel alignment checks are wanton.

Symptoms of poor alignment are that the steering pulls to one side or that there is excessive wear on the inside or outside edges of the tire. If you are driving at low speed on straight and level ground, such as in an empty parking lot, and slowly release the steering wheel, your vehicle should continue to travel straight ahead.

How curious. tw said same. And if alignment is off, then defective parts are replaced. Do we align to bent or worn parts as classicman would recommend? Of course not. 107,000 miles on the original tires – and not one alignment. A 1980 car designed by 'car guys' did what is standard today on any properly designed vehicle.

Classicman’s post – the ‘whys’ - explains how he knows frequent $100 checks are necessary. Those 1950 ‘high failure’ vehicles that classicman has assumed no longer exist.

Cloud – ignore hyped fear from those who know only from myths. Also provides were symptoms that warn of problems without expensive $100 checking. Ie. fluid leaks, MPG numbers on every new tank of gas, moving car in a parking lot, Check Engine light, smoke, and routine inspection performed during each oil change. Expensive service plans, warranties, and $100 alignment checks every three months is not necessary with properly designed cars. A $100 alignment every 5000 kilometers? Is he that so naïve as to believe such people? This is why his reasons (supporting facts) were demanded. He does not know. He only reiterate what he reads. Another example of why ‘dirt under the fingernails’ is found where others learn.

Shawnee - some people just know without first learning facts. They should be challenged aggressively as any good persons would - bluntly. This is not a debate about cars. There is no debate where people have learned simple technology. Cars don't require all that complex knowledge and frequent maintenance. Exposed are thos who know only because others say so. Thousands of web citations somehow is proof? The same logic also proved Saddam's WMDs. A minimally standard car requires so little maintenance. That is not even debateable. Debated is how some just believe these myths - forget to first learn facts - believe everything read on the web - don't ask damning, blunt, and politically incorrect questions.

So where is that adjuster that needs $100 service every three months. Classicman cannot say. In the same place that George Jr put Saddam's WMDs.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

I was simply offering my help to cloud and got lambasted for it

You got lambasted for posting without first learning. Then got lambasted again for knowning only because a thousand other posts somehow become factual proof. The lesson from Saddam's WMDs? Does not matter how many say so. Only facts and numbers are relevant; and experience that puts facts and numbers into perspective. You got lambasted for posting myths because you did not first learn the facts and then knew using the same reasoning that proved Saddam had WMDs.

Eliminate those myths and Cloud need not worry about a car - if the car is properly designed.