Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week

[Radar]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Jews are a group of people. Zionism is an ideology. I hate the Nazi ideology but I do not hate the German people. I hate the neo-conservative ideology but I do not have hate the American people. I hate Zionism ideology but I do not hate Jewish people, catch my drift?

Calling people that support Palestinians anti-semitic is just a way to limit free speech by placing that issue into a category no one wants to go into without political suicide. It is no different than calling people who are anti-immigration racist. Sure some people that are anti-immigration are racist and sure, some people who are pro-Palestinians are anti-semitic but to call everyone who are anti-immigration racist or everyone that supports the Palestinian people anti-semitic is not only using cheap dirty, and invalid, arguing techniques, but it disallows a mature intelligent discussion on the topic and disintegrates it to 5-year old yelling and bitching match.

The only way peace can be restored in Palestine is a one-state solution going through a bi-national state. That is the only way to stop the fighting and establish good relations,even though it will be a long road.

And a question:
Do you think the Palestinian actions are proactive or a result of what their lives are like? You can never assume that their standard of living is even close to ours, most have no hope for any future. And remember, groups like Hamas didn't start showing up until the 1980s, a good 30 years after the Israeli state was established.


For the "the Jews deserve a homeland" shit. I understand the Jews have been through the hardest times out of almost any group of people but they knew there would be conflict if an Israeli state was established in Palestine so why the hell do we blame Bush for Iraq when he knew how fucked up it will be but not the Israeli fundamentalists, notice how I do not blame all Israelites, when they knew this sort of conflict would erupt? Quee summed up my other argument very well for that.

The word Palestine doesn't refer to a country, it refers to a physical region. Calling someone a "Palestinian" is like calling people from Colorado "Rocky Mountain People".

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian" in exactly the same way there are no "Rocky Mountain People". The Jordanians and other Arabs calling themselves Palestinians lived on the land but so did Jews. Jews have lived on that land constantly since before biblical times. During the years when there was no state of Israel, Jews still lived there. It is Jewish land. During all of the years when there was no state of Israel, the Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" NEVER owned a single square inch of the land. It was owned by various empires, but never the people who lived on the land. In fact none of them owned any land until it was divided by the British empire and shared with the people who were basically squatters and the Jews.

1947 was the first time in history the so-called Palestinians owned any land at all and the land they were given was historically part of Israel so if anyone has a reason to be mad, it's the Israeli people.