Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So you don't hate the people, but you do hate how a certain subset of them behaves with respect to disputes over territory.

Yet you claim that anti-Zionism is the same as anti-Semetism.

The overwhelming majority of so-called Palestinians are raised from birth to hate Israel and Jews. The subset we were discussing are those who actually carry out murders.

When you use deadly force in your defense, it's not murder. The so-called Palestinian people are not using DEFENSIVE force, they are using OFFENSIVE (attacking) force against the weakest members of the Israeli community, women and children.

I didn't say Anti-Zionism is the same as anti-semitism. I said Anti-Zionism = Anti-Jew. Arabs are also Semites.

Zionism is the belief that the state of Israel and its people have a right to exist without having its women and children blown to bits. Zionism has never harmed a single person on earth. Anti-Zionism on the other hand means you don't believe this nation has any right to exist or to defend itself when people attack them. It means you believe every nation on earth other than the Jewish one, has a right to exist and defend itself.

How is this NOT anti-Jew?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Radar

I didn't say Anti-Zionism is the same as anti-semitism. I said Anti-Zionism = Anti-Jew. Arabs are also Semites.

Zionism is the belief that the state of Israel and its people have a right to exist without having its women and children blown to bits. Zionism has never harmed a single person on earth. Anti-Zionism on the other hand means you don't believe this nation has any right to exist or to defend itself when people attack them. It means you believe every nation on earth other than the Jewish one, has a right to exist and defend itself.

How is this NOT anti-Jew?

Because "Zionism" is not "Judaism". Israel is a majority-Jewish nation with aspects of Judaism enshrined in law, but it does not speak for all Jews on Earth. You can oppose Zionism and support Jews. You can support Zionism and support Jews. You can be anti-Jew, and support Zionism as a way to get the Jews out of your own country or a way to instigate Biblical Armageddon. Or you can be anti-Jew and anti-Zionism.

Personally, I do support Israel's right to exist and defend itself. I also support the USA's right to defend itself. I don't pretend that either nation always does so in appropriate ways, and I don't think that the behavior of the enemies of either nation excuses any of that nation's bad behavior.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Because "Zionism" is not "Judaism". Israel is a majority-Jewish nation with aspects of Judaism enshrined in law, but it does not speak for all Jews on Earth. You can oppose Zionism and support Jews. You can support Zionism and support Jews. You can be anti-Jew, and support Zionism as a way to get the Jews out of your own country or a way to instigate Biblical Armageddon. Or you can be anti-Jew and anti-Zionism.

Personally, I do support Israel's right to exist and defend itself. I also support the USA's right to defend itself. I don't pretend that either nation always does so in appropriate ways, and I don't think that the behavior of the enemies of either nation excuses any of that nation's bad behavior.

The only Jews against Zionism are self-deprecating Jews or rabbis who say Jews can't return to their homeland until after the messiah returns. Israel IS a Jewish state. Saying "I don't hate Jewish people, I just hate Israel" is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than saying, "I don't hate Chinese people, I just hate China...and those who say it has the right to exist and defend itself when attacked."

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Radar

Israel IS a Jewish state. Saying "I don't hate Jewish people, I just hate Israel" is absolutely NO DIFFERENT than saying, "I don't hate Chinese people, I just hate China...and those who say it has the right to exist and defend itself when attacked."

It is very different, because "Chinese people" are "people from China". "Jewish people" is not a synonym for "people from Israel".

If the Kurds decide that they want their own country, and claim territory from the nations they are living in, your view on that claim is not synonymous with your view of the Kurdish people.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

It is very different, because "Chinese people" are "people from China". "Jewish people" is not a synonym for "people from Israel".

If the Kurds decide that they want their own country, and claim territory from the nations they are living in, your view on that claim is not synonymous with your view of the Kurdish people.

Wrong. Israel is the land of the Jews. It's the Jewish homeland in the same way China is the homeland of the Chinese. You can't legitimately separate the two.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Radar

Wrong. Israel is the land of the Jews. It's the Jewish homeland in the same way China is the homeland of the Chinese.

Um, no. Not even close. The Jews existed before Israel, and they still exist throughout the world as citizens of their respective nations. Israel is the homeland of the people who live there.