Communism, boiled down.

[piercehawkeye45]

That is still an opinion. People don't like capitalism because corporations and the upper class will oppress others. You can call it freedom or whatever but you are still forcing a socio-economic theory on other people. It is a no-win situation.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

That is still an opinion. People don't like capitalism because corporations and the upper class will oppress others. You can call it freedom or whatever but you are still forcing a socio-economic theory on other people. It is a no-win situation.

Capitalism and free-market economics aren't forced on anyone at all. They are what free humans will do with each other absent gross interference. The core and essence of it is mutually beneficial transactions: swappings, however the string of details of these exchanges, of something that each trader values of the other more than the thing he has available for exchange. Each party gets the thing he values more than the thing he had. That's all there is to it. There's a lot about mutually beneficial transactions on the 'Net.

Where "forcing" may come in, and indeed the only place it really can, is in the forcing of those who hitherto interfered grossly to cease their interference with a free market. That's anything from "You stop that now," and he does, to lethal force. Once the gross interference is stopped, the win-win, and even win-win-win and more, begins.

Only people utterly without faith in human common sense think otherwise. Those schooled in human common sense tend to sound like me.

[xoxoxoBruce]

President Bush got away with huge tax cuts for the rich in part because nonrich Americans, who make up most of the population, believe everybody has a chance of making it into the club. Unfortunately, the American dream is not that broadly accessible.

Horseshit, the American dream is not to become a millionaire. The American dream is to not skip any meals, not to watch your children die, to have a job so you can provide for you and yours, to be able to send your kids to school, and maybe own a home but at least have shelter. That's why all those immigrants came here.... because they couldn't get those basic things at home.

The American dream is not a 102 inch plasma TV.

Even most of the poor here can achieve the American dream.