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rkzenrage 07-13-2007 08:40 PM

Communism, boiled down.
 
Communism is based in envy.
Keep in mind Marx & Engels did not have the strength of their convictions, did not live by it. They were owners of property and factories and did not share their profits with their workers and renters.
Words written by cowards should be ignored.
Did/do Stalin, Mao, Castro & the party members live as those they oppress? Then we know the truth of their ideals.
Che was just a murderer & busybody.

xoxoxoBruce 07-13-2007 11:13 PM

If Che was alive, and collecting royalties on the tee shirts and posters, he'd be a multi-millionaire. It would be interesting to see what he would do with all that money.

bluecuracao 07-14-2007 12:29 AM

I don't agree that communism, overall, is based on envy. It's a very old idea, and it worked (works) very well in Pueblo communities. It just doesn't work on a large scale.

Urbane Guerrilla 07-14-2007 01:55 AM

Under more normal, or more fortunate, circumstances, Mao would have been convicted as a mere felon, and beheaded.

Edwin O. Wilson: "Communism. Interesting idea. Wrong species."

DanaC 07-14-2007 02:07 AM

Quote:

Keep in mind Marx & Engels did not have the strength of their convictions, did not live by it.
Marx was not a communist.

Aliantha 07-14-2007 02:10 AM

That's a fact that most right wingers can't seem to grasp Dana. ;)

Urbane Guerrilla 07-14-2007 02:12 AM

Not that it matters in light of the half billion untimely killed and the couple billion kept in poverty pursuant to Marx's ideas.

bluecuracao 07-14-2007 02:16 AM

Hmmm...we've got quite a lot of folks in poverty in the good ol' US of A...

Aliantha 07-14-2007 02:20 AM

Yep. Democracy is working well. :)

bluecuracao 07-14-2007 02:22 AM

Oh no, no.. we're a REPLUBLIC! ;)

Aliantha 07-14-2007 02:23 AM

democratic republic?

bluecuracao 07-14-2007 02:26 AM

LOL

DanaC 07-14-2007 02:27 AM

From Marx himself :

Quote:

All I know is I'm not a Marxist.

Aliantha 07-14-2007 02:35 AM

Marxism has only ever really been a idea verging on theory. Is there any community that has really ever put it into practice?

I know of companies that have increased profits through giving staff shares in the company and allowing staff more self determination.

It doesn't always work though.

Nor does democracy.

I guess one day maybe we'll figure out the right way to do things.

Until then, we'll work on the ideas we currently have.

bluecuracao 07-14-2007 02:38 AM

I wonder if we've ever been a democracy, really. There has always been so much manipulation involved in the U.S. political process. There are and have been altruistic elected officials, but the culture of 'pay-to-play' (something that's blamed on city government corruption, but reaches up to the federal level too) seems to prevail too often.


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