Do You Own a Gun?

[Radar]

You stupidly claim that no human owned property before the agricultural revolution. How do you know this? The answer is you don't. There were hundreds of ancient civilizations.

Let's say I agree that "most" people didn't own property back then. Why was this? It was because people could only own what they could defend, and because people migrated from one area to another in search of food. The agricultural revolution was what got people to stay in one place so they could cultivate crops. It wasn't that people couldn't own property, it was that they didn't think they'd be able to live if they stayed in one place. Tribal peoples like the American Indians shared everything and were pretty much communists (all communism and socialism is inherently wrong) as well as being migratory people. They not only didn't see the need to own land, they didn't think land could be owned. They didn't comprehend the concept of property ownership. So in answer to your ridiculous question, YES, they were too stupid to realize they could own land and it cost them most of America.

The gargantuan thing you are ignoring, and the gaping hole in your ridiculous claims is the fact that even then they had the RIGHT to own property. Whether or not they chose to exercise that right is irrelevant. Whether or not the tribe in which they lived believed they could own property is also irrelevant.

The only human you speak for is yourself, and if you want to believe you aren't above animals, that's fine. If you want to act like an idiot and deny natural, immutable, self-evident, and universal human rights, that's fine too. If you find yourself violating my rights, you may find yourself without a voice to deny such things because dead people don't talk much.

Our rights aren't an "idea" or a "thought" or a "concept". They weren't made up by humans. They weren't made up by societies. They have existed for as long as the universe has existed. It took the beings with the highest level of sentience on the planet (humans) to DISCOVER rights. Rights don't go away when they are being violated by "society" or by governments. This is a universal truth and will continue to be regardless of the number of times you blather incoherently denying it.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Radar

Tribal peoples like the American Indians shared everything and were pretty much communists (all communism and socialism is inherently wrong) as well as being migratory people. They not only didn't see the need to own land, they didn't think land could be owned. They didn't comprehend the concept of property ownership. So in answer to your ridiculous question, YES, they were too stupid to realize they could own land and it cost them most of America.

Stop making your opinion fact. That is why you will never see it a different way because you are too closeminded to notice that you are not the center of the universe. This obviously isn't going anywhere on relation to rights so I'm going to let that die.

Now we understand, pierce does not believe in freedom, equality or a republic. There is no more discussion.
He wants a police state.

Is that the great logic you speak of?

I do not believe in universal ethics but yet I am a moral person. How does that work? Maybe just because I believe that freedoms are man-made doesn't mean that I don't believe we should use them.