The impending Veto

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I never got the "war on terror" saying anyways.

Sounds like the "war on drugs", just a catch phrase that has no meaning behind it.

The catch phrase is GEE-WATT or GWOT. It has much meaning. It means that where ever you are, we reserve the right to come and kick your ass and put you in prison forever. Pretty clear if I do say so myself.

[BigV]

So clear, and yet you're mystified at the disappearance of the goodwill the United States used to enjoy, having been recklessly squandered by this administration. : puzzled :

[elSicomoro]

Ah...I remember back in the day when the US had goodwill with most of the world...it seems so long ago...

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The catch phrase is GEE-WATT or GWOT. It has much meaning. It means that where ever you are, we reserve the right to come and kick your ass and put you in prison forever. Pretty clear if I do say so myself.

Usually it just means you are Arab or Muslim whether or not you are a terrorists or not.

[TheMercenary]

Well how the fuck about that.... Don't say we didn't tell ya so.. the blood will be on the hands of the Dems who pull us out before the job is done. I pity those poor people...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...raq.scenarios/

[tw]

Originally Posted by grant

God help me; I agree with tw and like what he's saying.

What I was posting four years ago is still these same questions today. Why opposition then and agreement now?

My point as it was posted four years ago remains in three simple questions that every war monger in the Cellar has refused to answer. TheMercenary also avoids three questions that would expose his political agenda.

What is the smoking gun that justifies "Mission Accomplished"?

What is the strategic objective?

What is the exit strategy defined by that strategic objective?

What does the American solider need? Three simple answers that lover of George Jr (also called anti-Americans) would not provide.

TheMercenary will never answer those questions because he cannot and never could. His blind support for George Jr is not based in logic or a simple grasp of military science. That's what makes 'big dic' thinking so dangerous. They automatically know - just don't know why. His conclusions are based what a patriotic American does to support the troops. So TheMercenary pretends those questions do not exist.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Ah...I remember back in the day when the US had goodwill with most of the world...it seems so long ago...

Governments are now unstable where association to George Jr is accused. Yushenko's government in Ukraine is under attack, in part, due to connections to and support from George Jr.

From The Economist of 28 April 2007:
Ayman Nour, runner-up to Hosni Mubarak in Egypt's last presidental election (in 2005), in prison under trumped-up charges - just to show it can fend off American scolding.

Islamic fundamentalism is growing rapidly in all Arab nations due to a crusade mentality created by George Jr, Cheney, and the other wacko extremists.

Even Turkey, once one of America's strongest supporters throughout the world, is rapidly promoting Islamic fundamentalism. Hate even for what America did to Turkish soldiers and shown in a highest grossing movie in Turkey:
Valley of the Wolves Iraq

Islamic fundamentalism and a new contempt for secularism is how young Muslims now openly advocate their distaste for George Jr's religious crusade against them. Even in Syria, a budding human-rights movement has been quashed with a five year prison sentence for that nation's best known human rights advocate.

It does not stop there. America is now increasingly unpopular in most South American nations. Curious. That also happened when Nixon was a Vice President on a trip to South America.

In Somalia, an insurgency mostly composed of the Hawiye people and other nationalists has been rebranded by an extremist American government as Al Qaeda. Again, The Economist

There may be a few hundred jihadist fighter and perhaps a dozen or so who can properly be classified as al-Qaeda. But the government's failure to make concessions to the Hawiye raises al-Qaeda's hope that Somalia may become a hub of instability and a new front in a holy war against Ethiopia- and the west. ... Ferocious fighting between clans has broken out in Kismayo, a southern post.

Get what you wish for. An Islamic government rebranded by our extremist government as Al Qaeda; then Al Qaeda will easily find recruits again evil Americans.

The world's sixth largest oil exporter in the world - Africa's biggest nation by population - is even becoming unglued as corruption has clearly perverted presidential elections. Those who live and profit by such corruption are considered America's friends since America so condones and participates in the corruption at the highest levels of government. In southern Nigeria, distinguishing between government, gangsters, and insurgents is said to be almost impossible because lawlessness and violence is most often in the oil rich areas. Where are which foreigners?

Nations where Americans were once so welcomed are now even becoming dangerous for Americans. There is only one reason why democracy, once so popular during and after Clinton, is now suffering setbacks. Why would anyone in the world do what George Jr advocates? The man only promotes opposition to democratic principles based upon his 'Crusade' mentality. Democratic reforms in Iran are being rolled back. Democracy in Iraq is failing as Maliki is losing support.

It’s not just America that is becoming less popular. Now the principles that America advocates are also becoming unpopular - in some places despised.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by tw

Even Turkey, once one of America's strongest supporters throughout the world, is rapidly promoting Islamic fundamentalism. Hate even for what America did to Turkish soldiers and shown in a highest grossing movie in Turkey:
Valley of the Wolves Iraq

1) You missed the not one but two separate million+ Turk marches against fundamentalism that took place over the last three weeks, one in Ankara, one in Istanbul.

The peaceful rally delivered many messages to the Islamist leaders of AKP, such as "Turkey is laic [secular] and will stay laic"; "NO Mullahs, no imams and no Gul in Cankaya"; "Cankaya is closed to Shari'a"; "We are all Mustafa Kemal's soldiers"; "Come Tayyip[Erdogan] and see us - come and count us".

2) That film is fictional, asshole!

It’s not just America that is becoming less popular. Now the principles that America advocates are also becoming unpopular - in some places despised.

Let them take up unproductive ways, such as nationalizing every critical industry in the country. That way they can fail on their own.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

2) That film is fictional, asshole!

That film is based on real world events as reported by numerous news services. 'Asshole'? UT - you are the one who complained about a Cellar attitude change. You demonstrate why that attitude has changed. Your proof that the world loves everything America is childish insults?

UT, on this topic, tw is 100% correct making UT the 'asshole'. Why? Because UT posted personal insults in conjunction with his wayward claims. You of all people should not be doing what xoxoxoBruce does. You should be acting as the adult you want everyone else to become. That Turkish movie - about what Americans did - was accurately characterized by tw. It demonstrates how much George Jr has destroyed a respect that took generations to build. Accurately noted in that movie is how unpopular things American have become because of George Jr wacko extremism.

Yes there were Turk demonstrations against fundamentalism. That was never new. Once, no large fundamentalism movement existed in Turkey. Even in the most secular Muslim nation - Turkey - fundamentalism is now popular, in part, because Americans want to save the world using 'big dice' agendas. That was the point.

Did you notice that the new Turk president may be a fundamentalist? Islamic fundamentalism now popular even in Turkey because of American (George Jr) contempt for the world.

Somewhere in the back of my mind, it was the American 173 regiment from Italy that abused those Turkish soldiers as demonstrated in the movie. So why do you post like Urbane Guerrilla or xoxoxoBruce? Why do you now post like a child adult? Why do you even deny reality?

The US has made American style democracy so unpopular that even Venezuelans would condone nationalizing banks. You blame the sudden unpopularity of things American on Venezuela? There is only one reason why so many nations are rejecting things that feel too American. George Jr, his boss Cheney, and the new 'big dic' solutions to everything in the world - also called pre-emption. Why, UT, do you have a problem with this reality? And why do you want to turn the Cellar into a cesspool of Urbane Guerrilla profanities?

The movie Valley of the Wolves Iraq would only exist and be so popular in Turkey (once an American closest ally) only because of pre-emption by George Jr. America is losing friends everywhere. UT would deny it - and with profanity?

[Undertoad]

That film is based on real world events as reported by numerous news services.

"Based on real world events" and it had, amongst other things, US soldiers trafficking in human organs. Got any news stories that cite THAT? I thought not. Do YOU believe it?

Do I want to turn the Cellar into a cesspool of UG profanities? I would FAR rather have that, than have it turn into your knee-jerk anti-US cesspool of bullshit only in the mind of tw.

100% tw accuracy, suck my big dic.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

That film is based on real world events as reported by numerous news services.

Since you insist on dragging me into this with your childish whining;
What real world events?
What does based on mean?
If the name of the country is the same it can be called, "based on". But you know that's a, "clear as mud but covers the ground", statement.
How are you lie this FICTIONAL movie into real history? Because if you don't, everything you predicated on it becomes bullshit, too.
Feet of clay, tw, feet of clay dissolving.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Do I want to turn the Cellar into a cesspool of UG profanities?

Er... UG annoys me as much as the next guy, but I think you mean TheMercenary?

[xoxoxoBruce]

All those fuckers.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

100% tw accuracy, suck my big dic.

Undertoad - do not read this. It is about reality and not relevant to you. Don't read it.

The point: US integrity is now so bad throughout the world that a film based upon what US troops did to NATO allies in Iraq is a most popular movie in Turkey. It's no accident because US integrity - thanks to George Jr and Cheney - is that despicable. Why can a movie that even includes Americans selling body part be so popular in Turkey? Why in Turkey that was once one of America's strongest supporters? Because George Jr has made every American equivalent to 'body snatchers' in so many eyes.

Why does that film have so much credibility? Because Americans even torture, imprison people without judicial review, international kidnapping, secret prisons, lies to promote a political agenda, and even "Pearl Harbor" a sovereign nation. Worse, when caught and exposed doing it, then America denies it anyway or blames others for their plight.

So embarrassing these days to be an American. Something like 30% of American troops now regard torture as normal and necessary. When did we see numbers like this? When American troops were being intentionally massacred in Nam to protect Nixon's legacy. Anyone with intelligence also knew that war was also lost. Johnson even acknowledged it before retiring as president. And yet we still massacred another 30,000+ Americans?

In the first year of "Mission Accomplished", bodies would be found all chewed up and unidentifiable alone roads in southern Iraq. American convoys would routinely fire heavy weapons at anyone they considered too close - most being innocent victims. This was standard long before any serious insurgency existed. This long before Abu Ghriad. This is the new America where TheMercenary's attitude of 'might makes right' means anyone can be killed - justified by 'Spanish Inquisition' justification. "They must be evil".

Are those troops evil? Welcome to lessons of Nam where again, troops were put into an unwinnable situation. Massacres were not limited to My Lai.

Why do so many Turks believe a movie that would even associate Americans with selling body parts? UT has difficulty acknowledging this reality. Long before that movie was released, America's once golden reputation had been tarnished - severely. Americans are now considered that evil in more parts of the world where once America was associated with goodness. But worse, Americans remain in widespread denial.

UT wants to argue with profanity when denying realities created by a wacko extremist American government. Profanity means he is chock full of emotion - maybe due to frustration with realities posted by tw.Valley of the Wolves Iraq demonstrates what our allies now think of America.

When America was respected, then Turks would have rejected story lines in that movie. Today Americans routinely fire heavy weapons even on innocent Iraqis - a 'big dic' response to a problem created by Americans ... just like in Nam. Americans would even fire at Vietnamese farmers in fields with 50 cal weapons only because they were bored or angry. Good Morning, Iraq where troops are also there because American leaders are liars.

Believable throughout the world is that Americans would even kill 'evil foreigners' just for body parts. Even torture is an acceptable practice by all Americans. You may not think so. But what you think is no longer relevant. That is commonly accepted among a growing worldwide community.

America that openly advocates international kidnapping and imprisonment without judicial review - as TheMercenary advocates - will only make life difficult for American friends. American friends and those who advocate secular American principles are now increasingly unpopular in Turkey, Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Morocco, South America, Nigeria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, .... it's a long list and getting longer. Even Chaves in Venezuela has credibility only because 'he smells sulfur where George Jr has stood'. Why would anyone take such comments seriously? Look at what TheMercenary calls acceptable. That explains why the world is increasingly more sympathetic to Chaves.

Why is the movie Valley of the Wolves Iraq so popular in what was once a closest American ally? Why did a capture of Turkish soldiers by Americans complete with blindfolds, imprisonment, and suicide become so popular in Turkey? TheMercenary who even approves of imprisonment without judicial review and LA cops beating up reporters. Stealing body parts is routine by a nation that routinely tortures.

Deja vue what? 30 years ago, will it be Deja Vue "Mission Accomplished"? History says many here will witness "Mission Accomplished" and the 'big dic' rationalizations 30 years from now.

Some will post profanity sound bytes. Others, to deal with reality, post longer. Sorry. Reality is never found among those who know everything from expressions such as "fuck you".

[Undertoad]

Reputation bad, fine, but is it earned?

Again, the questions:

1) "Based on real world events" and it had, amongst other things, US soldiers trafficking in human organs. Got any news stories that cite that?




2) Do you believe it?