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TheMercenary 04-26-2007 06:06 PM

The impending Veto
 
I wish the process would move faster. Bush is going to veto it and there are not enough votes to over turn it, which puts the process squarely back into the lap of Congress to fit. If I were Bush, who we all know is going to veto it, I would be waiting at the door of the White House with a pen in hand. When they broght it to the door, I would not even let them in, sign it and send it right back so I could have my weekend off. This is like watching grass grow.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

elSicomoro 04-26-2007 08:38 PM

It's all about the drama...both sides are doing great right now.

I see Bush getting hurt worse by this than the Dems and Congress. The general sentiment seems to be drastic action on Iraq, which the president seems unwilling to do. And I don't consider a troop surge to be drastic.

tw 04-26-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 337900)
This is like watching grass grow.

Which is also what you said when dead soldiers were arriving in Dover AFB.

TheMercenary 04-26-2007 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 337981)
Which is also what you said when dead soldiers were arriving in Dover AFB.

Ha. Really? Did you get a hard-on when you said that? :D

piercehawkeye45 04-27-2007 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 337969)
It's all about the drama...both sides are doing great right now.

Thats what we get for voting in lawyers...

glatt 04-27-2007 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 337900)
I wish the process would move faster.

And that is precisely why it is moving as slowly as it is. It's more effective this way. It's all about having the issue in the news cycle for as long as possible.

Griff 04-27-2007 08:24 AM

It is nice to see Congress deliberate instead of prostrating before the executive, looks a little like a Republic.

Spexxvet 04-27-2007 08:53 AM

If Bush vetos this bill, it just proves that he doesn't support our troops.

Spexxvet 04-27-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 337900)
I wish the process would move faster. Bush is going to veto it and there are not enough votes to over turn it, which puts the process squarely back into the lap of Congress to fit.

Isn't this a comparable situation to the Clinton Impeachment? Everybody new that there wouldn't be enough votes to impeach, but the repubicans just kept pushing it through.

TheMercenary 04-28-2007 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 338093)
If Bush vetos this bill, it just proves that he doesn't support our troops.

That would be bullshit. It proves that he is going to do what he said he would do. Not something that I really support. But for my friends who are there it sends the wrong message IMHO. Either pull out completely now or fund the troops. But don't tell them how to do their job.

TheMercenary 04-28-2007 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 338094)
Isn't this a comparable situation to the Clinton Impeachment? Everybody new that there wouldn't be enough votes to impeach, but the repubicans just kept pushing it through.

Sure I guess. Everybody is going to try to spin it to their advantage.

Happy Monkey 04-28-2007 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 338532)
But don't tell them how to do their job.

That would be bullshit. Nothing in the bill says how they should do their jobs.

TheMercenary 04-28-2007 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 338639)
That would be bullshit. Nothing in the bill says how they should do their jobs.

Bullshit to that. When you order a withdrawl that is telling people who have no business to do so, how to conduct a military operation. That is telling them how to do their job any way you care to spin it.

xoxoxoBruce 04-28-2007 03:02 PM

You assume the military is doing it now, the way they would without political interference .... that is bullshit.

Happy Monkey 04-28-2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 338641)
Bullshit to that. When you order a withdrawl that is telling people who have no business to do so, how to conduct a military operation.

No, they can and should withdraw by whatever means they see fit. But it is not up to the military how long it stays in any particular war. Either Congress or the President can end it whenever they want. Of course, it's harder for Congress to do it.
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That is telling them how to do their job any way you care to spin it.
No, it's telling them what job to do. The military doesn't pick its jobs.


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