The only way to win an argument

[Cloud]

uh, I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Salesmen may be smarmy, but Dale Carnegie's philosophy, as set out in his own words, emphasizes sincerity. I certainly don't think his viewpoint is inconsistent with honesty and integrity.

I've always considered myself blunt, as in don't ask me what I think of you--I'll tell you. Brutally honest, in fact. I've come to realize that this has done me more harm than good in my life, so I'm trying to change my ways.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Cloud

uh, I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Salesmen may be smarmy, but Dale Carnegie's philosophy, as set out in his own words, emphasizes sincerity. I certainly don't think his viewpoint is inconsistent with honesty and integrity.

I've always considered myself blunt, as in don't ask me what I think of you--I'll tell you. Brutally honest, in fact. I've come to realize that this has done me more harm than good in my life, so I'm trying to change my ways.

What Dale Carnegie's mission was in writing the book is anyone's guess. But the result was corporations, large and small, sending their minions off to take his course, how to win friends and influence people. Unfortunately the students aren't required to pledge not to use their powers for evil.

Now the graduates return to the real world of business better equipped to con friends and screw people. Harsh? Think about what the basic charge of the employee is... to do whatever it takes to make you're employer, the company, more successful (richer).

They were also better equipped to climb the corporate ladder over the people with honesty and integrity. Corporate politics is much like public politics... by the time you get very far you've usually sold your soul. I know there are exceptions, I'm speaking in generalities.

Carnegie's philosophy sounds wonderful but so does communism, until you try to integrate it with the real world.