Some photos of the Los Angeles illegal alien rally

[billybob]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Like most newspaper articles about crime, that article was generated from a police report, and the police here are forbidden from asking if people they encounter during an investigation are illegals.

So, by association, they MUST all be wetbacks, huh? You really are lacking, MaggieL. Racism isn't your strong suit, it's your ONLY suit.

Are "hooker" and "pimp" on the list of scarce skills for which NZ will subsidize immigration? They won't get you an H1B visa here...yet.

Your obsession with New Zealand is unhealthy. It seems strange to me that someone who bleats so much about about 'red herrings' and 'straw men' wastes so much effort on lines of argument that are too weak to be called 'cheap shots'.

Do you actually have anything worthwhile to say on the topic, or are you just going to sit on youir fat ass all day, slandering a whole race and anyone that bothers to question your stupidity?

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by billybob

Your obsession with New Zealand is unhealthy.

It's not an obsession, it's just the focus of pointing out your hypocracy.

You're fine with immigration law when it results in benefits for you personally. When it works against your ill-considered ideas about how we should run our country, suddenly it's racist. And yet the laws of our country and yours are quite similar (ours actally being *more* liberal)...the important difference being that with a country many times the size of yours, with thousands of miles of land borders and an impoverished and repressive regime to the south, enforcing our laws is vastly more difficult.

Which you're pleased to claim as moral superiority. How feeble.

Originally Posted by billybob

Do you actually have anything worthwhile to say on the topic..

By your lights? No. But that's because you're not listening to anybody who contradicts you.

[billybob]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

By your lights? No. But that's because you're not listening to anybody who contradicts you.

That's priceless, coming from you. It's fairly obvious from your distorted replies to my posts that you are more interested in trying to discredit me on matters of zero relevance than in paying attention and debating like an intelligent adult.

I'd put you on my ignore list, but you amuse me. How someone of your age can have accumulated so few social skills makes you an interesting case study, unique amongst the many Americans that I talk to. I've never come across anyone, from any country, who is so determined to be obnoxious to a stranger simply because they ask her to back up her ignorance with quantifiable evidence.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by billybob

...you are more interested in trying to discredit me on matters of zero relevance than in paying attention and debating like an intelligent adult...

How immigration law in my country compares to immigration law in your country is of "zero relevance" only as a way of protecting your thesis that "those who want US immigration law enforced must all be bigots and racists" from closer inspection.

[billybob]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

How immigration law in my country compares to immigration law in your country is of "zero relevance" only as a way of protecting your thesis that "those who want US immigration law enforced must all be bigots and racists" from closer inspection.

Another distortion from MaggieL.

I've asked a few people here to back up statements that they have made.For some reason, that makes me the Great Foreign Liberal Satan in MaggieL's eyes.Perhaps because she is a racist bitch, perhaps because she is something else.I really don't care. Nowhere in any of the threads have I argued that illegal immigration is not an issue, nor have I argued that it shouldn't be enforced. What I have done is to try and rationalise a lot of the astoundingly shallow statements made by people like MaggieL, so that I may understand the 'problem' fully and decide on my private opinion.Unfortunately, this is unacceptable to MaggieL, her opinion must be accepted as gospel because she lives there and I don't. Frankly, MaggieL's little corner of the US is of little interest to me as a absolute microcosm of the situuation.She may well think that her neighborhood is typical of the US, but it isn't.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by billybob

She may well think that her neighborhood is typical of the US, but it isn't.

My neighborhood is exactly representative of itself.. Earlier you suggested that I was a comfortable suburbanite holding forth on an issue that I didn't understand and that didn't affect me. Now that misconception has been debunked.

No one community can be represenatiative of the US; it's too big a place. I've certainly seen enough of it to know that, even though there are many here much more widely travelled than I. But when someone tries to impeach my opinion about illegal immigration because "you live too far from Mexico", they are not only barking up the wrong tree, they are several forrests down the pike from the right tree.

[billybob]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

But when someone tries to impeach my opinion about illegal immigration because "you live too far from Mexico", they are not only barking up the wrong tree, they are several forrests down the pike from the right tree.

Thank you. I live in New Zealand, which you seem to think is far enough away to not understand the issues.Not only has your entire argument been pissing against the wrong tree, you are several forrests from the wrong tree, and most of the urine appears to have blown back against yourself.

Originally Posted by billybob

Another distortion from MaggieL.

I've asked a few people here to back up statements that they have made.For some reason, that makes me the Great Foreign Liberal Satan in MaggieL's eyes.Perhaps because she is a racist bitch, perhaps because she is something else.I really don't care. Nowhere in any of the threads have I argued that illegal immigration is not an issue, nor have I argued that it shouldn't be enforced. What I have done is to try and rationalise a lot of the astoundingly shallow statements made by people like MaggieL, so that I may understand the 'problem' fully and decide on my private opinion.Unfortunately, this is unacceptable to MaggieL, her opinion must be accepted as gospel because she lives there and I don't. Frankly, MaggieL's little corner of the US is of little interest to me as a absolute microcosm of the situuation.She may well think that her neighborhood is typical of the US, but it isn't.

You two need to get a room.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You two need to get a room.

He's not my type. :-)

He's worked very hard to find the exact bit of name-calling and misogyny that will enrage me enough to dissolve the discussion into an exchange of personal attacks, but it just hasn't worked.

For someone who's "trying to decide on his private opinon", he's certainly already blasted quite a bit of opinion about publically.

[MaggieL]

[HTTP faux pas; deleted double post]

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by billybob

So, by association, they MUST all be wetbacks, huh? You really are lacking, MaggieL. Racism isn't your strong suit, it's your ONLY suit.

As I said, we won't have direct evidence unless it gets to court, as in the case of the other article...because some twit claimed it was "racist" for a law enforcement officer to investigate a possible violation of law.

But I know Norristown. You don't. Even though you think you do. Only the other day you were flaunting your deep knowlege of US geography to "prove" we don't have illegals here, and that I don't know what I'm talking about. But as you can see, we even have them in our courts claiming they should have a reduced sentence *because* they're illegal.

Originally Posted by LA Times, today

LOS ANGELES - Aiming to transform street passions into political power, organizers of recent immigration marches Tuesday announced a national campaign to produce 1 million new citizens and voters by the November midterm elections...

"We don't have to follow the law...now let us vote."