RIP John Paul II

glatt · 04-04-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

For the record, the pope didn't do anything to bring down the berlin wall or in any way have an effect on communism.

He didn't have an effect in any way on communism? That's a pretty strong statement.

I thought he visited communist Cuba and as a direct result of that visit, athiest Cuba stopped its repression of religion. I'm sure I saw several news sources reporting that as fact. You could argue that Castro gets the credit for that, but it wouldn't have happened without the catalyst of the Pope.

Elspode · 04-04-2005, 10:24 PM

I'm profoundly anti-Catholic (dogma and doctrine, not the followers, of course), and even *I* thought JPII was a fine Pope. If you've absolutely got to have one, he filled the bill nicely.

The Catholics aren't the only ones using religion as a lever to control peoples bodies, for crying out loud...

bluesdave · 04-04-2005, 10:37 PM

Well said, Els. I've been trying to think all morning of how to say something similar, that would not offend people (or Radar), and you have hit it on the button. I'm also not a Catholic, and I think that JPII was a very special, and important man, and I will certainly miss him.

04-04-2005, 10:24 PM	#2
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I'm profoundly anti-Catholic (dogma and doctrine, not the followers, of course), and even I thought JPII was a fine Pope. If you've absolutely got to have one, he filled the bill nicely. The Catholics aren't the only ones using religion as a lever to control peoples bodies, for crying out loud... __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

04-04-2005, 10:37 PM	#3
bluesdave Getting older every day Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 308	Well said, Els. I've been trying to think all morning of how to say something similar, that would not offend people (or Radar), and you have hit it on the button. I'm also not a Catholic, and I think that JPII was a very special, and important man, and I will certainly miss him. __________________ History is a great teacher; it is a shame that people never learn from it.

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