Government Shut Down

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

First, the position of the Senate was well-known before even
the first vote by the GOP demanding de-funding Obamacare.

So, because the Sen. Majority Leader Reid announces that he will let no compassionate bill be passed, during the shutdown...

Somehow, that makes him a good guy?? No! That just makes him a predetermined SonOfABitch.

Next, NIH did not shut down... they continued all patient support,
and interrupted only their non-essential management activities.

That wasn't argued. READ THE DAMN ARTICLE! NEW patients (including children), will NOT be accepted into NEW trials, because they "couldn't be registered", into them.

Somehow, due to the media coverage, the registration is now going forward. Problem solved. No thanks to Reid or the Democrats.

Further, the "just one child" is faux drama by the GOP.
NIH does not take on patient treatment for the sake of the person who is suffering.
Each individual is enrolled in NIH research only if they meet the given research criteria.
In fact, the person may be given "non-therapeutic treatment" as part of,
for example, a classic double-blind control study.

Quit the quibbling. It was not FAUX drama, and all the rest of the above is well known.

The point was, EVEN IF the patient met the study criteria, NO ONE was being admitted to them, because they "couldn't be registered", for it.
You can't fail to see the hand of the gov't bureaucrat in this.

I agreed with you that the "gotcha" question sent Reid off in a tizzy,
but to suggest the GOP didn't know what they were doing or
could not foresee the ramifications is not tenable.

Bit then, if you want to argue the GOP does not know what it is doing,...

it says a something about (your opinion of) the GOP.

The GOP knew what they were doing however, no one knows how the President will respond. He has fairly broad discretion in deciding what will, and what will not, be shut down.

But we can be sure that Obama will do everything he can to make us as uncomfortable as possible, during the shutdown. Then he will continue to make us paupers, at his leisure. I can hardly wait.

To be fair, Obama wasn't the first President to use this strategy. I'm hearing that Nixon came up with it, but never used it. I don't remember Ford using it during his shut down, but Ford was a nice guy. Same with Carter. Inept President, but undoubtedly one of the most civil Presidents we've ever had, despite some very trying times. (bad economy and hostages in Iran)

Clinton used it during the shutdown quarrel with Gingrich, closing the Washington Monument, I remember. He didn't close the open air memorials, I don't believe. Hard to remember it all.

Mainstream Republicans are VERY uncomfortable with the shutdown. This may be a harbinger of the future of politics. If the Democrats elect socialists, the conservatives will simply shut down the gov't, in order to be represented in a liberal government that, like Reid and Pelosi, want their way or the highway, for everybody else.

How can you negotiate something - anything - with a Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi. They're absolutists, and will make it clear even before any "negotiations", that they won't negotiate.

Isn't that EXACTLY what Harry Reid did here? He finally got called into the White House to negotiate, but he wouldn't do it.

OK, you SonsOfBitches, enjoy your shut down.