Nope, never been to Detroit. I have been a member of two unions tho, (Teamsters and machinists union) so I have experience with unions. It doesn't matter if you're making cars or widgets, union attitudes are as elitist as you think management is. They think they should be in charge of the factories, and then we would all be working in Utopia. My experience with union meetings and union leaders is they talk big, swear a lot, take the dues, and try to tell members how to vote.
Even a boss I once had who was a total jerk treated me better than any union.
As for engineers having to get permission from management to do something, where I worked, the union would not allow any engineer to lift any tool. They had to call in a union guy to tighten a screw some union guy left loose.
Sorry TW, you're the one with the agenda.
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