Tshirt design

zippyt • Mar 6, 2004 1:34 am
Ok it has been suggested that a Tshirt may be in order ,
Ideas ???
I think it should be 2-3 colors MAX , nothing TO horribly offensive ( Thanks Janet and Justin ),

Idea 1) 3 monkeys on the front right brest area , cellar tag line on the back .

Idea 2) front or back ,
novice • Mar 6, 2004 7:11 am
I love the idea. I also love the above cartoon hehe.
To be frank, the tag line will only be so much gibberish to most, but the three monkeys will be instantly recognisable to those in the know.
Therefore I think the shirt be designed for our enjoyment and to that end I propose the back should be covered in small print tag lines. All of them. Past, present and proposed.
If nothing else it'd make a great conversation piece.
However they end up i'm gonna buy two. One to wear and one to shelve. I would ask that each one has our individual user name and joining date.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2004 8:52 am
[SIZE=4]GOTTA have a POCKET.[/SIZE]

Instead of 3 monkeys, 3 toads. :)
zippyt • Mar 6, 2004 11:58 pm
Well a toad on the brest close to the heart , that could work . But it HAS to be a COOL toad , not just some damn frog looking thing .

How about the 3 monkeys on the sleeve ??

Tag lines on the back , that could work .

Indivigual Tshirts with the sign on dates and handels would be WAY to much trouble .

How about Cellar ASSHATS , with the saying "ASSHAT planted firmly in place ! "
lumberjim • Mar 7, 2004 12:19 am
you know i'm in.

ok. how?

do we do a gtg somewhere, and print a bunch up?

do we do decals and make our own?

huh?

any lesbians on here that do textiles?
Troubleshooter • Mar 7, 2004 12:20 am
Originally posted by zippyt
Well a toad on the brest close to the heart , that could work . But it HAS to be a COOL toad , not just some damn frog looking thing .

How about the 3 monkeys on the sleeve ??

Tag lines on the back , that could work .

Indivigual Tshirts with the sign on dates and handels would be WAY to much trouble .

How about Cellar ASSHATS , with the saying "ASSHAT planted firmly in place ! "


Could you make it look like the monkeys were flying out of our butts?
Shattered Soul • Mar 7, 2004 1:00 am
The taglines on the back and the monkeys (and of course, the toad--UNDER the monkeys) are definitely a must-have.
lumberjim • Mar 7, 2004 1:18 am
3 monkies on the front left breast (on the pocket optional)

large toad on the back at the top, sitting on the words "the cellar"

top ten (as chosen by a rigorous round of polls and playoffs) tag lines below
the blue from the words at the top left "cellar" on white t shirt.

tag lines alternate grey and white background with authors credited as it appears on the actual cellar, dates, titles, sigs and all.

alan, warch, draw us a toad. a good one with lots of warts.
Elspode • Mar 7, 2004 1:29 am
Logo on the back exactly as seen in upper left hand corner of our monitors. Beneath that, the Top Ten Taglines. On the front, with only his head coming out of the pocket, The Toad, with "Undertoad, Proprietor" in a semicircle or arch around/over/under the pocket.

UT gets to pick the Toad art.
lumberjim • Mar 7, 2004 1:44 am
front
lumberjim • Mar 7, 2004 1:45 am
back
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 7, 2004 1:51 am
Man, these are going to be expensive.:haha:
zippyt • Mar 7, 2004 1:57 am
ASSHAT , I have seen these SOME WHERE , I can't find them . Some body that has time see if you can find them , I think they are needed to go with the shirts .
lumberjim • Mar 7, 2004 1:57 am
i just remembered that i have a good customer that owns a tshirt printing business.

I'll call him monday and ask him for some pricing.

if we decide on a design, i could get him to make them. i also think we should set up a profit margin for toad.



can we get by with 2 colors?
zippyt • Mar 7, 2004 2:02 am
can we get by with 2 colors?

That would be the cheapest way to go . That is why i suggested it .

All procedes go to toad for the cellar , from the cellar .
wolf • Mar 7, 2004 2:02 am
We could buy these from cafepress.com ...

Who also do a relatively decent job on a variety of merchandise items with supplied artwork. I think that the organization gets like a $1 back on each item purchased ... probably more expensive than going with a local provider, but wider range of crap available.
Undertoad • Mar 7, 2004 8:58 am
I don't need to pick anything! You guys pick it all out! I'll just wear it.
funkykule • Mar 7, 2004 9:16 am
what? no whale penis to be seen anywhereon the shirt? its just not right!
:p
novice • Mar 7, 2004 9:20 am
Black, cotton, no pockets t-shirt yellow monkeys and tag lines. Nothing central on front so it can look classy under a leather jacket and conversational when the outer layer comes off.
No offense Bruce but i've usually got enough pockets and I never take pens out. Ever. Or dodads.
Keys, wallet, phone, that's it
novice • Mar 7, 2004 9:28 am
Might I suggest we split up and seek estimates for around 50 two toned t-shirts. The exchange rate may well offset the postage if I can find a local producer. Besides, I'd probably send the bulk to one person in Philly and let him/her forward them.
If someone comes up with an obvious winner we can then iron out the wrinkles.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 7, 2004 9:32 am
What, do you roll your smokes, up in your sleeve? No pocket....pshaw!:p
novice • Mar 7, 2004 9:41 am
Non smoker. 15 mths and counting:p
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 7, 2004 9:52 am
You pussy, turn in your leather jacket.:haha:
novice • Mar 7, 2004 10:53 am
Oh dear, and to think I admired you. Your obvious lack of taste, however.......:rolleyes:
Beestie • Mar 7, 2004 11:40 am
I'm so lazy I hadn't gotten around to looking at this thread.

Zippy - that cartoon is freakin' hilarious. How did you do that? On the computer or is it scanned hand work?
jinx • Mar 7, 2004 11:58 am
Hot_pastrami helped him a little bit
hot_pastrami • Mar 7, 2004 1:54 pm
Originally posted by Beestie
that cartoon is freakin' hilarious. How did you do that? On the computer or is it scanned hand work?

I drew it directly on the computer, with the shitty mouse I have at work... that's why the lines are kinda jaggy. Next time I'll try it from home with my trackball, which should allow much smoother lines. Of course the fact that I hurried through it in 10-15 minutes didn't help, either. :D
OnyxCougar • Mar 7, 2004 2:48 pm
Originally posted by novice
Black, cotton, [b]no pockets t-shirt yellow monkeys and tag lines. Nothing central on front so it can look classy under a leather jacket and conversational when the outer layer comes off.
No offense Bruce but i've usually got enough pockets and I never take pens out. Ever. Or dodads.
Keys, wallet, phone, that's it [/B]
[COLOR=indigo]Not yellow text, but definitely black shirt. And I'll take 2, one in 3x and one in XL[/COLOR]
Beestie • Mar 7, 2004 3:08 pm
I drew it directly on the computer
I think its the jagged and hurried look that give it its charm - sort of a metaphor for Lj's anxiety over the ... [event]. My only criticism is that you didn't put near enough gel in his hair.
wolf • Mar 7, 2004 3:17 pm
I prefer a black tee as well ... navy as a second choice. A lot will depend on relative costs, though. Depending on the method of production, we may have to go with a lighter color.

Ash or dove gray would probably work.

The idea of having things the same color as the screen colors has an appeal too.
zippyt • Mar 7, 2004 6:02 pm
I think the screen colors would work as well , print in this grey purple ,
toad head comeing out of the pocket , or 3 monkeys on the pocket ( gott's to have a pocket to keep my smokes in )
CELLAR.ORG on the sleve ,
top 10 tag lines on the back
OnyxCougar • Mar 7, 2004 7:19 pm
[COLOR=indigo]Why don't we make 10 with pocket and the rest without?[/COLOR]
zippyt • Mar 7, 2004 7:25 pm
and what about long sleve ???
Polo shirts any body ???
wolf • Mar 7, 2004 7:26 pm
If we go with polos, the logo has to be embroidered. Screened will look lame.

(I think this officially qualifies as overdoing it. I was thrilled with the idea of a shirt with the three monkeys and typewriters on the front and a big ol' cellar.org on the back.)

And yes, I would also like a pocket for the smokes.
OnyxCougar • Mar 7, 2004 7:34 pm
Originally posted by wolf
If we go with polos, the logo has to be embroidered. Screened will look lame.


[COLOR=indigo]Yeah, no polo's but long sleeves is cool.[/COLOR]
Elspode • Mar 8, 2004 12:28 am
What we seem to be developing here is a t-shirt designed by an infinite number of monkeys working on an infinite number of computers...

Bananas, anyone? :)
novice • Mar 8, 2004 3:04 am
How about we start at the beginning.
Who wants how many and what's the price ceiling.
I want two and i'd be willing to pay $25 Aust per shirt.
We can hammer out the vaguaries if it proves doable.
I like the "top ten tag lines" idea but I guess we need a new thread to vote on the existing ones.
UT can you post a numbered list and we can vote based on how many times the same numbers overlap.
Pi • Mar 8, 2004 6:31 am
I'm in too. But I don't smoke so I don't need a pocket... Color : black should be great an the 3 monkeys and as wolf said a big cellar.org somewhere...
Undertoad • Mar 8, 2004 8:13 am
I don't have all the tag lines, just the suggested ones.
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 9:58 am
[COLOR=indigo]Black or Grey Shirt, no pocket, monkeys on the front breast, with url, and top ten taglines on the back.[/COLOR]
wolf • Mar 8, 2004 11:05 am
I don't think we need the taglines ... just the "friendly little coffee shop" statement ...
kerosene • Mar 8, 2004 1:53 pm
I like the long sleeve T idea. I also like the black T idea, but mostly because I don't wear many light colors. I think we ought to put the monkeys on the front and White letters "The Cellar" on the back with the little tag line underneath (also in white.) I smoke, but don't like pockets on a T-shirt. Don't ask me why.

I will pay up to 30.00 for mine. As far as design goes, I like simple.
Pi • Mar 8, 2004 3:07 pm
Yes wolf, I think that should be best...
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 3:16 pm
design your own t shirt
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 3:34 pm
heres mine


pretty cool site..6 is the minimum quantity.

i say we all take our time and design a shirt, then we can take a vote.

you can mix up what kind of shirt, add names and numbers, etc.
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 3:50 pm
see?
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 3:51 pm
the back
warch • Mar 8, 2004 5:25 pm
I think Undertoad should be "implied" by embracing a field of dark murky blue-green, 100% beefy T cotton, like the deep relentless ocean. ( then the 3 monkey/ typwriter bit in grey, small, understated, no text.) muy elegante.

Here I like "Blue Dusk" or also "Oceana". But the darker makes more sense, perhaps a choice...Lurkers go Oceana....http://www.cheapestees.com/giluloctheav1.html
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 5:32 pm
:)
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 5:33 pm
):
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 5:39 pm
i like that, cougar. my first attempt had the logo like yours on the front, but somehow it came out in tru color the 2nd time. i think i'd put the website under the logo on the breast, though, and make the "friendly little..." larger on the back
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 5:41 pm
[COLOR=indigo]I think the front logo with a toad peeking over the top of it, with little toad fingers holding the logo up like a sign. The toad is Under the cellar. :)

I cant draw tho.[/COLOR]
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 5:42 pm
oh, yeah...i drew one last night that is perfect for that.

i'll post it tonight when i get home. it would have to go above the logo, though, as i traced it from a toad that was peeking over a log.
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 5:44 pm
[COLOR=indigo]K, how about[/COLOR]
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 5:46 pm
adding the pic... sheesh
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 5:46 pm
yeah, but drop the http://


just www.cellar.org
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 5:47 pm
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lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 5:53 pm
perfect.

i'll officially nominate that as the front of the shirt. seconds?
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 5:57 pm
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Sun_Sparkz • Mar 8, 2004 6:03 pm
yes the last two i think are perfect. Well done OC.

Im definately in.

Do you think we could do some long sleved and some short? because .. do you know how HOT it is over here.. i would die in a long sleeved shirt!

:violin:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2004 6:10 pm
Drop the www, just Cellar.org is enough.
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 6:10 pm
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lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 6:11 pm
Image


or if you'd rather have the toad on the back?

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lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 6:16 pm
Originally posted by Sun_Sparkz
yes the last two i think are perfect. Well done OC.

Im definately in.

Do you think we could do some long sleved and some short? because .. do you know how HOT it is over here.. i would die in a long sleeved shirt!

:violin:


if we decide to go with this particular service, and not just use their design capabilities, they can custom fill orders to size, product, color....you can get hats, mugs, mouse pads, etc.....you can also ad your name to the shirt, or a number like a jersey.

i have put a call in to a local guy that owns a sportswear business, to check his prices, but if we buy any kind of quantity here, we should be able to get a decent shiert for under $20, and still have some profit for the cellar.

i think we need to think about how the money will work. how many do we order? just enough to fill the requests? or do we speculate on future users wanting them? damn nice looking design so far, i think i could sell it.

how do we put the $$ together for the initial order? is anyone fat enough to front it, and collect in exchange for free shirts? i;m not.

who has the deepest pockets?

or how else can we put this together?
hot_pastrami • Mar 8, 2004 6:17 pm
I tried drawing a toad, but it didn't turn out as well as I'd have liked. It looks interesting as a negative image against a dark color, though:


Image
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 6:19 pm
[COLOR=indigo]He's a mean toad!! Put a smiley toad![/COLOR]
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 6:20 pm
Originally posted by OnyxCougar
adding the pic... sheesh



now i KNOW cougar is excited about this. she forgot to post in indigo!

definitely newsworthy.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2004 6:22 pm
Excellent, HP.:thumb:
Who would beware a smiley toad?
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 6:23 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim


if we decide to go with this particular service, and not just use their design capabilities, they can custom fill orders to size, product, color....you can get hats, mugs, mouse pads, etc.....you can also ad your name to the shirt, or a number like a jersey.

i have put a call in to a local guy that owns a sportswear business, to check his prices, but if we buy any kind of quantity here, we should be able to get a decent shiert for under $20, and still have some profit for the cellar.

i think we need to think about how the money will work. how many do we order? just enough to fill the requests? or do we speculate on future users wanting them? damn nice looking design so far, i think i could sell it.

how do we put the $$ together for the initial order? is anyone fat enough to front it, and collect in exchange for free shirts? i;m not.

who has the deepest pockets?

or how else can we put this together?



[COLOR=indigo]Once we have how much the shirts will run, we can donate to the paypal link. The donation thing has a space for optional messages. Just put in what sizes and stuff you need, include $2.50 for every shirt ordered to cover shipping. Of course, that means Tony has to do the ordering, paying and distribution, but I volunteer my over analytical, very organizational skills and lots of spare time helping with that part if he doesn't wanna do it.

edit::I can give ya'll my pal pal account and leave tony out of the loop.
Then all the profit I can donate to the cellar paypal account.
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BrianR • Mar 8, 2004 6:26 pm
I liked ljs last idea...but I think there should be only one toad on the back, leave it off the front.

I have no preference as to pocket...I quit smoking as my resolution this year.

I'd pay in the $20's for a cellar tee.

Hey, has anyone looked at these yet? :cool:

Brian

[edit] fixed the link
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 6:28 pm
Hanes Beefy-T Long-sleeve - Black
Screenprinting: 2 Color Front, 2 Color Back
Quantity:70 (5 S, 10 M, 20 L, 15 XL, 15 XXL, 5 XXXL)

All-In Price (free shipping):
$14.18 each | $992.60 total
(For 1 week Rush delivery add 25%)

jut guessing about response, and sizes.........but, $20/shirt leaves the cellar $407.40 profit if all 70 are sold. I'd take 2 of them for jinx and I.
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 6:31 pm
[COLOR=indigo]We can put a deadline of say, March 15th to order. $20 per shirt + $2.50 per shirt for shipping. Indicate size and short or long sleeve (once we get the design worked out).
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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2004 6:34 pm
There's a local (Folcroft) shirt printer that's a major operation. They do a ton of sports leagues and concert stuff. They will do custom designs pretty reasonable. Quality stuff.
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 6:56 pm
a little bigger view
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 7:03 pm
[COLOR=indigo]Undertoad. Under.[/COLOR]
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 7:08 pm
here's the toad, see what you can do
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 7:09 pm
[COLOR=indigo]I posted an undertoad. that's my effort in the graphics portion of the program[/COLOR]
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 7:14 pm
oh, yeah. duh. scuse me.....i'm all excited too.





[size=1] it was more of a underleopard frog, btw[/size]


and the words are "under toad" .........?
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 7:21 pm
[COLOR=indigo]what are you babbling about?? undertoad isn't written, it's a toad UNDER the logo. under.toad. and it wasn't a leaopard, every knows that toads have spots and frogs dont.[/COLOR]
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2004 7:32 pm
Leopard frog.
OnyxCougar • Mar 8, 2004 7:33 pm
[COLOR=indigo]except leopard frogs.[/COLOR]
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 7:35 pm
Originally posted by OnyxCougar
[COLOR=indigo]what are you babbling about?? undertoad isn't written, it's a toad UNDER the logo. under.toad. and it wasn't a leaopard, every knows that toads have spots and frogs dont.[/COLOR]


the words "a friendly...." are under the toad.

eh...?

i like alan's toad, too.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2004 7:37 pm
Me too.
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 7:46 pm
although, as i look back at both of them, alan's is a little fierce looking, and mine has a certain speculative look about him.....might be more representative of the true Undertoad. ( to reiterate, i traced mine, and any conveyed mood or emotion of said toad is purely coincedental)

btw, toad, does this smack of hero worship, or false idol vibes to you? I'd not want to make you uncomfortable.
lumberjim • Mar 8, 2004 8:34 pm
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richlevy • Mar 8, 2004 9:15 pm
For $20 I'd buy a shirt (XXXL).
Undertoad • Mar 8, 2004 9:54 pm
I was all ready to complain about having the toad get major billing because, most recent turn aside, I genuinely do believe the notion that this place is not and cannot be about "me" whatsoever, it's about all of us.

But the thing is, a toad is such a cool thing to have on a shirt! I like all the various toads people have come up with. I think the toad, as an animal, is basically funny, like there's just something about a toad.
Sun_Sparkz • Mar 8, 2004 10:35 pm
UT, stop being so modest!

john lennon is on a tshirt

eminem is on a tshirt

why shouldnt you be on a tshirt?

i have only been here a few months but its pretty obvious you are the king around here. everyone likes you and respects you and what you do to keep the show on the road so if i were you id bask in the RESPECT.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2004 10:45 pm
UT owns the joint, but he is King:king: by acclaimation, because he's earned it.
Beestie • Mar 8, 2004 11:50 pm
I'm definitely in for a shirt.

My $.02 is that it i think it should just be "cellar.org" with no www. or anything. And, despte the respect I have for UT and the appreciation I have for those who took the time to express the toad in the design, I don't think it works very well graphically with the other elements - it looks 'forced.'

I like the designs that include the coffee shop tagline but I wouldn't put it on the back but in small font under the Cellar logo on the front. For me, the simpler the better. For me, Its less of a promotional shirt and more of a membership shirt. I wouldn't put anything on the back.

But, whatever the final design, I'm in for an XL.
Elspode • Mar 9, 2004 12:32 am
I agree that UT needs to be honored on The Shirt (tm), but a little part of me sort of wants to have the artwork be one of the Webscalpel submissions.

I will be wanting one shirt in a 2X, with or without pocket, as long as it isn't white. Let me know when and whom I need to pay, please.
lumberjim • Mar 9, 2004 12:48 am
For me, the simpler the better. For me, Its less of a promotional shirt and more of a membership shirt. I wouldn't put anything on the back.


Here is more shit from me, that what Beestie said made me think of... so blame him for it:

We COULD have more than one design, I think. Perhaps we would have better end results, if there was some competition involved in the creation of these shirts. We could choose a long and short sleeve model. That would involve having a judging panel, or polls to decide which 2 shirts get made. Might sell more shirts, too. I could see getting one of each, if I like both designs, and they're different enough.

We could have 2 teams that are seperately responsible for designing 1 shirt each. One team to do the long sleeve shirt, the other the short. Teams created on a volunteer basis; no choosing teams. Play to your strength. Teams will each sort out color, design, layout, logo, quality of shirt, number of colors, front/back/both/sleeve printing. in other words, from scratch. Collaboration breeds innovation. They will be cool shirts.

I have to agree with Beestie that in practical application, i prefer plain backed Tshirts. And yet, the back is a much better canvas. And it IS promotional. Now, is promotion a good thing? Do you advertise the cellar? Or will we get flooded with asshats and crapflooders?

I don't think most of you folk are hermits, and you are bound to wear your shirts out of the house eventually. When you do, some one will comment about your shirt. Depending upon how you feel about that person, you will react in different ways. If you think that they would be a positive presence in the cellar, you'll take the opportunity to tell them about it, and maybe even "recruit" them. This person may then want to buy his/her own t-shirt, and then they'll tell two friends, and then THEY'LL tell two friends.........And we'll be selling so many got damn t-shirts, that tony buys us all porsches for christmas!

If you don't like the person for the cellar, you'll downplay it as "oh some website i went to one time" and steer the conversation away.

There are other applications for efforts like these. we are building. We could turn the cellar into a self promoting promotion like the OBX stickers on the back of every other SUV along the Eastern US seaboard. People would flock to the .org just to be near us. The three monkeys would be an instantly recognizeable trademark adorning all ranges of apparell for the "in crowd". Shamelessly endorsing products from tshirts to CD compilations, book club favorites to the Cool Site of the Day.

Kind of makes you want to cry, doesn;t it?
wolf • Mar 9, 2004 1:05 am
I like OC's final front of the shirt design, with the logo from the masthead alone, and a tasteful "cellar.org." Adding the toad makes it way too busy.

I do like the "friendly little coffee shop" for the back with the toad draped over it. That was nicely laid out ... but can live without it, especially if that reduces production costs.

I'd be in for one short sleeve and one long sleeve ... both 2XL, because I like a roomy shirt.

I'm fine for no-pocket. It's not like I have to have a place to carry Hollerith cards anymore.
lumberjim • Mar 9, 2004 1:38 am
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wolf • Mar 9, 2004 1:50 am
You missed an "e" in the first "coffee."

Otherwise, awesome.

How does it show up on black, though?
lumberjim • Mar 9, 2004 1:55 am
thanks. Image
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wolf • Mar 9, 2004 2:01 am
I would definitely buy a coffee mug.
wolf • Mar 9, 2004 2:03 am
Oh, and I miss the typewriters, man ... I think that they are very important to the overall design, because the visual allusion is lost without them.

No, I can't do better myself. I don't have the patience, or the software for doing the design stuff. You are doing a brilliant job.

I'll just drive from my backseat here, yah?
lumberjim • Mar 9, 2004 2:09 am
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lumberjim • Mar 9, 2004 2:21 am
logo close up
lumberjim • Mar 9, 2004 2:22 am
i cant make the typwriter go with that layout. too cluttery
wolf • Mar 9, 2004 2:24 am
You're forgiven. It's Very Cool.
staceyv • Mar 9, 2004 2:36 am
i'm not into t-shirts, but i would love to buy a coffee mug!
OnyxCougar • Mar 9, 2004 8:34 am
[COLOR=indigo]I like it. xxl black, long and short sleeve for me[/COLOR]
kerosene • Mar 9, 2004 10:03 am
I like OC's final design for the long sleeve shirt. as long as it is in black, I am in for one of those. I dont know if the sizes are m or f, so when I know, I will give you a size. Probably large.

For the short sleeve, I think it would be neat if we used a ringer T. I like to wear those anyway, and would consider buying a couple extras of those. Again, I am not a fan of white, and I do like the last logo Lumberjim made. I may get ambitious today and try and come up with something.
wolf • Mar 9, 2004 11:30 am
I had to look up what a "ringer tee" was.

Ick.

I thought we got rid of those in the 70s. Nerdier than a horizontally thinly striped shirt.

Also, they seem only to come in white.
lumberjim • Mar 9, 2004 4:12 pm
I got a hold of the local guy i mentioned earlier, and his pricing is much more competetive.

minimum 36 pcs per design( to avoid the set up charges.)

black 100% cotton short sleeve T shirt with single or 2 color logo on the front only = $6/ea. XXL & up add $1.50

Long sleeve add $1.00

Add $1 for front AND back 1-2 color printing.

this makes the total for a XXL long sleeve black T $9.50 each as opposed to $14 something.

he could do sweatshirts for around $12.

this all assumes the design is relatively basic, and he won't charge us for screening, or art work.

if we order by 4/1, it should only take 2-3 wks for production.

what does everyone want to do with respect to the sleeve length and logo design? or do you just want the fucking shirts already, and don't really care about designing them?
lumberjim • Mar 9, 2004 4:32 pm
who does vinyl car decals. he made me 3 "authorized vehicle" placards for when i want to make a U-Turn on the turnpike..... it's not what you know, it's WHO you know.
Pi • Mar 9, 2004 6:11 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
or do you just want the fucking shirts already, and don't really care about designing them?


Just tell me where to sign, well send the money...
zippyt • Mar 9, 2004 6:47 pm
LJ , how about black for the long sleve , grey for the short sleve , I like the last front logo for the front you did , verry cool , a back design is cool or not with me .

put me down for 2 long sleve and 2 short sleve

Now where is the check out ??????

oh and don't go crasy with all this promotional stuff , a few extra members is ok , but they whole east coast is to damn much !!!
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 9, 2004 6:50 pm
Orange County Choppers made a million bucks on tee shirts last year.:)
farfromhome • Mar 9, 2004 10:09 pm
I know I'm a newbie,but I enjoy this place.I'd take a long sleeve and a short sleeve.
lumberjim • Mar 9, 2004 10:19 pm
Originally posted by zippyt
LJ , how about black for the long sleve , grey for the short sleve , I like the last front logo for the front you did , verry cool , a back design is cool or not with me .

put me down for 2 long sleve and 2 short sleve

Now where is the check out ??????

oh and don't go crasy with all this promotional stuff , a few extra members is ok , but they whole east coast is to damn much !!!


i don;t think there's any reason we couldnt order from any of the basic colors as long as the ink is all the same color and we're ordering them specifically per customer. It's not like we're a bowling team.
Elspode • Mar 10, 2004 12:19 am
Originally posted by lumberjim
It's not like we're a bowling team.


If you fuckers decide to form a Cellar bowling team, I swear I'm just gonna spit! Unless, of course, you are a travel team, in which case just let me know when to book the local alley.
wolf • Mar 10, 2004 2:34 am
Everyone should be very glad to learn that I don't bowl.

One short sleeve tee, one long ... I'd prefer black, but if the logo design ultimately chosen doesn't work, gray (but not that speckly gray) is cool. Just not white ... or yellow. Doesn't go at ALL with my complexion.
farfromhome • Mar 10, 2004 8:50 am
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One short sleeve tee, one long ... I'd prefer black, but if the logo design ultimately chosen doesn't work, gray (but not that speckly gray) is cool. Just not white ... or yellow. Doesn't go at ALL with my complexion.


Never mind your complexion.Lets get to whats REALLY important.How do these colors contrast with your guns and swords?
wolf • Mar 10, 2004 11:21 am
Yellow makes it very hard to sneak around at night.

Okay.

That's the real reason.

(enough of my firearms are in "basic black" which pretty much goes with everything ...)
limey • Mar 10, 2004 12:07 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
[snip] ...or do you just want the fucking shirts already, and don't really care about designing them?


Yup. One XL please. Where do I send the money? What is the postage to Scotland?

limey
lumberjim • Mar 10, 2004 1:29 pm
does anyone want any other logos considered? i think there is enough interest to begin ordering...assuming we are settled on the design. if you've been working on an idea, get it up here so we can make a final decision.

maybe we could have a logo design thread, if needed.
lumberjim • Mar 10, 2004 1:32 pm
Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Orange County Choppers made a million bucks on tee shirts last year.:)


they have a little tv show that MIGHT have had something to do with that.
kerosene • Mar 10, 2004 2:52 pm
So, do we get to individually pick what kind of T-shirt it gets printed on? Have we decided the colors on the logo?
lumberjim • Mar 10, 2004 8:46 pm
since no one seems to want a white tshirt, and the ink has to be the same color, i'd say logo art should be white. this means we'll want dark colored shirts. I will talk to the shirt guy again tomorrow and verify that there is no problem with us each choosing our own colors, and ask if there is a pallet of colors for us to choose from. I'd also like to go touch the fabric so i know that we're not getting thin crappy shirts. i'd rather pay more for heavier fabric. i'm not seeing any other logo designs, so until i hear different, i'm under the impression that the large logo i put up is acceptable to all parties. After i talk to my tshirt guy, i'll post the prices. Then we need to decide who will be doing the collecting and shipping.

the mugs must be ordered 72 at a time.......$6 a pop....:(

moving forward......
lumberjim • Mar 10, 2004 8:47 pm
Originally posted by case
So, do we get to individually pick what kind of T-shirt it gets printed on? Have we decided the colors on the logo?


maybe he can do a few iron ons, case, if he doesn't have those ringer tees......i'll ask
Archer • Mar 10, 2004 9:44 pm
When this does go, I will be buying one.

Hopefully it's paypal, and OC don't forget the cut that paypal takes, so you don't get screwed and have to foot some of the bill.

In any case, I want one. Even if I do lurk more than post.
kerosene • Mar 10, 2004 10:02 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim


maybe he can do a few iron ons, case, if he doesn't have those ringer tees......i'll ask


Or I could get a plain one and send it to him. I would do that. Maybe a dark grey shirt with black trim?

I also would like a long sleeve black T-shirt
Elspode • Mar 10, 2004 11:11 pm
Originally posted by lumberjim
does anyone want any other logos considered? i think there is enough interest to begin ordering...assuming we are settled on the design.


I still feel a little odd about having the monkeys without the typewriters. I mean, I understand the design considerations and all, but I'm afraid the inference is that we're all a bunch of apes. At least with the typewriters, there's the allusion to that whole "works of Shakespere" thing.

Whatever the final design, I need a 2X (if a Beefy T...if not, 3X), and I prefer black in all cases.
lumberjim • Mar 10, 2004 11:16 pm
wudda bout this?
wolf • Mar 10, 2004 11:30 pm
Could we see one without the toad, and with the monkeys where they are on the upper left, and the typewriters on the lower right to balance them out?

(I like the toad, but I think it makes the image look too busy)
lumberjim • Mar 10, 2004 11:46 pm
this?
lumberjim • Mar 10, 2004 11:50 pm
I think the typewriters are going to be unrecognizable when scaled down to actual size on the t-shirts.
lumberjim • Mar 11, 2004 1:39 am
we could lose the monkeys and the typewriters:
novice • Mar 11, 2004 1:49 am
How about the monkeys and typewriters above Cellar.org (all in same size text) on the breast with the caption on the back.

Ie. THE CELLAR. A friendly little coffeeshop.
With no coffee and no shop.


I come from the old school where less is more and elegance lies in simplicity.

Ps L J Good onya mate. We needed a can do guy to take this critter by the horns lest the idea drown in apathy.

However it turns out i'm taking two.

Maybe we should open a thread purely for orders to put this into perspective.
Ie. quantity - colour - short or long sleeve - size

The "with no coffe and no shop" was centralised under "the Cellar" but somehow became aligned when I submitted it.:mad:
lumberjim • Mar 11, 2004 1:52 am
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Pi • Mar 11, 2004 3:01 am
Is that a fluo-color you've been using there LJ? Groovy...

But that's just the best design. Count me in for on M tee
OnyxCougar • Mar 11, 2004 9:35 am
Originally posted by Archer
When this does go, I will be buying one.

Hopefully it's paypal, and OC don't forget the cut that paypal takes, so you don't get screwed and have to foot some of the bill.

In any case, I want one. Even if I do lurk more than post.
[COLOR=indigo]Good Call, Archer. I was thinking the $2.50 per shirt would cover the shipping, but it will probably cover the handling (like the paypal fee) too. Might want to make it $3.00, and any overage is more profit for Tone.

And, how about monkeys, typewriters and cellar.org on the front, circle logo + frog on the back?[/COLOR]
lumberjim • Mar 11, 2004 11:19 am
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Happy Monkey • Mar 11, 2004 11:30 am
I like that one.

I've always liked the concept of "infinite monkeys with infinite typewriters could write Shakespeare. We've got three."
lumberjim • Mar 11, 2004 11:33 am
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kerosene • Mar 11, 2004 12:51 pm
I don't like the repetition of Cellar and cellar.org right next to each other. I would just go with cellar.org.
lumberjim • Mar 11, 2004 12:58 pm
voila
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kerosene • Mar 11, 2004 1:01 pm
I really like that. maybe try it without capitalizing the C so much. I would also consider whether the typewriters are really important. They kind of look unidentifiable and may be even more so, on a T-shirt.
lumberjim • Mar 11, 2004 1:06 pm
i've been trying to comply with requests from various peopls. some like the typwriters, some don't.

my personal favorite is this one:
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for what it's worth. front print only. no pocket. long sleeve. black with white logo.....

here's the last one on a shirt:


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kerosene • Mar 11, 2004 1:08 pm
You could have 2 designs.

I like the frog one you just posted the best. I wouldn't change it.

Also, LJ you never told me whether or not I could pick a shirt and send it to the printer guy. And could I specify where I want the logo on the shirt?
lumberjim • Mar 11, 2004 1:11 pm
i am waiting for him to call me back..apparently, he lent his cell phone to an employee, and hasnt checked his office vm yet.

i have ringer tees on my list of questions for him. :)...if he says he can't provide them, i'll ask about providing them for him. I'll also ask the logo location question, but my guess would be that they will have to be in the same spot on all of the shirts.
lumberjim • Mar 11, 2004 1:23 pm
Originally posted by case
You could have 2 designs.



minimum order is 36 per design, but as long as we need 72 shirts, that's fine by me. i'd like to have both sleeve lengths, and if they have different logos, more the better.
kerosene • Mar 11, 2004 1:30 pm
I agree. I will buy 2 either way, but it would be neat to have 2 different logos. Not completely necessary, though.
lumberjim • Mar 11, 2004 1:50 pm
i think it's time to narrow this down. vote on your favorite
lumberjim • Mar 12, 2004 8:40 pm
I spoke to george tonight ( the shirt guy)
He is extremely flexible with what kind of shirts we can get, as long as the art is the same and in the same place, so if you have specific desires like ringer t's or pocket t's, there's no problem getting them. the numbers i put up earlier were based on basic t shirts......IOW, customization of shirt types and color is ok, but it might cost just a little more. Those that insist on pocket t's might have to give up the front logo.

He reviewed the currently leading logos (8,9 on the poll) and says while they appear to be one color, they are both going to have to be done in 2 color ( white, grey) to convey the detail we're using. So, while we can choose individual colors, they'll have to be "all darks" or "all Lights" so that the ink(s) can all be the same color.

I'll be getting together with him mid-next week to look at the shirt qualities, get firm pricing, and color/shirt type availability. After which I will create an order form, and post it so that all of the orders can be tracked back to the orderer without having to weed through these 2 threads. If we can get our shit together quickly at that point, we'll get them in before he hits his busy season in mid april.

stay tuned
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2004 1:21 am
Now Here's a tee shirt.:)
jinx • Mar 14, 2004 8:24 am
yeah, but how much of a tool would you feel like if someone noticed they were fake?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2004 8:26 am
I'd feel smarter than if they weren't.:haha:
lumberjim • Mar 25, 2004 10:51 am
Order your shirts now!