Another cell phone thread

jimhelm • Jun 2, 2013 10:54 am
I have seriously fallen out of love with my motorola photon. I have 29 days until I am eligible to re up my sprint contract and get a new phone.

I'm thinking samsung galaxy s4. But then theres the htc 1. Or maybe the note2. Does anyone have any of these particular phones...or want to add one for consideration?
limey • Jun 2, 2013 12:28 pm
I've got an S3 and Mr Limey has a note (old model).
We LUVS them.
Whaddaya wanna know?
Clodfobble • Jun 2, 2013 12:43 pm
I love my HTC One. I have never loved a phone before. Mr. Clod has some kind of Samsung, and every time I have to use it I am reminded how I love my phone so much more than his.
glatt • Jun 2, 2013 1:19 pm
I love my iPhone 4S. It's better than any phone I've ever had, and work pays for it. So that's enough for me, even if there are better phones out there.

I think some phones are getting ridiculously large, but your opinion may vary, or your pockets may be larger than mine.
jimhelm • Jun 2, 2013 3:02 pm
Clodfobble;866883 wrote:
I love my HTC One. I have never loved a phone before. Mr. Clod has some kind of Samsung, and every time I have to use it I am reminded how I love my phone so much more than his.


The reviews rave bout the music apps and speakers. Also the metal construction. Negatives are.... No removeable memory, you cant pull the battery, and one reviewer complained about the reception for phone calls.


The things that make me nuts(bad nuts) about my motorola:

1. When the screen gets colder than about 65 deg, it becomes laggy, and unresponsive. Like it thinks you are long pressing, or just ignores you.

2. If i have wifi enabled, and signal strength is poor, i get no connectivity even by 3G. I have to disable wifi to get any data connection.

3. Every once in a while, (like maybe every 9 or 10 days) it stops receiving texts.... Or sending mine....like its clogged up or some shit... It usually takes me half a day to realize its happening again, so i restart and then i get 4to 6 copies of all the texts i missed.

4. The phone has a kickstand, which would be cool if the fucking charger aperature werent on the side that becomes the botom with it deployed. Stupid.

5. Reception is worse than on previous phones ive had with sprint.


So I'd like to avoid those issues on my next phone, improve battery life, and camera quality. I like the larger note 2, but dont know if that bigger size would be inconvenient in ways i have not ecountered yet. Like, would it fit into my windscreen pouch on the motorcycle ok, or shirt pocket ....

The galaxy s4 is said to be borderline too light. My phone weighs a ton, and i dislike that about it.
Other factors...
This month, the samsung s4 is $149, the htc is $99, and the note is free.
jimhelm • Jun 2, 2013 3:23 pm
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Undertoad • Jun 2, 2013 3:31 pm
Jelly Bean is the shit. That's all I gots ta say.
jimhelm • Jun 2, 2013 3:43 pm
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wanderer • Jun 2, 2013 4:07 pm
Just placed the order for my Nexus 4. I was searching for a decent phone from last couple of months and sheer amount of sets they are rolling out in the market successfully messed up my mindset (if I had any to start with).
Didn't want to spend fortune over a gadget that will be getting outdated within a year or so anyway. So went with gut feeling and purchased Nexus on instinct. Any one out there using it already?
I hope I didn't end being poorer for something stupid.
Crimson Ghost • Jun 2, 2013 4:28 pm
The Nexus 6 is being developed by Tyrell Corp.
Let's see how well it does.
jimhelm • Jun 2, 2013 4:32 pm
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This is gonna be tough to decide.
zippyt • Jun 2, 2013 5:23 pm
Phlghty has a note 2 and loves it ,
i have a tablet , and it ROCKS !!!
Undertoad • Jun 2, 2013 6:50 pm
My Sammy Galaxy Nexus is still hanging in there. I do like the Nexus concept where Google can just release Android phones and tablets without any further vendor stuff.
wanderer • Jun 3, 2013 2:12 am
Yeah, that was the primary reason I went for Nexus. And its easily available for unlocked version at low cost. Big thing that it doesn't seem too pretentious but just a device enough for job required. That will do fo me.
jimhelm • Jun 3, 2013 3:49 pm
ok,
I've watched 4 or 5 different comparison videos on you toob, and they all end in ties.

The one guy gave a slight nod to the S4 because if he had to choose, that's what he would go with.

I think I'm gonna go Samsung because of the removable memory and battery. If it had speakers in the front, and the camera the HTC has it would be a lot easier to choose.

The HTC seems more like an iPhone.
limey • Jun 4, 2013 5:08 am
The camera in my S3 is no slouch ...
jimhelm • Jun 4, 2013 10:23 am
My kids both have galaxy s2 epics, and tell me they will be going with the s4 when they upgrade. Apparently you can sync up to 7 s4 phones and play music in 7.1 surround sound. it would be cool to set them all up at a party.

I also like the picture in picture thing with the front and rear facing cameras. That would be great for rfn pictures.
jimhelm • Jun 5, 2013 10:24 pm
So, today I went to the sprint store and played with them. The s4 is decidedly quicker. Might have just been the floor models, but it loads web pages faster. It's lighter, but feels solid.

Now I have to wait. I tried getting bumped up, but they wanted an extra $100..... AND! The $149 price is only for new customers. I have to pay $249 for the phone . I might switch to T-Mobile.
bbro • Jun 11, 2013 10:46 am
I am doing this stuff now. I want a galaxy, but I am waffling more on the plans. Virgin gives all unlimited for 55. Verizon just offered me unlimited voice and text +2gb for 60. I don't think I will use the data that much. Maybe just checking email or the occasional search, but I don't know if 2gb is a lot or not.

I have been with verizon for over 10 years and I trust its reliability. I can be somewhere that I am the only person with signal. Lots of phones don't have service in rural WV and that is where my dad works. Plus, when I fix up the car, I will probably be driving through the boonies.

I hate making decisions like this. :|
glatt • Jun 11, 2013 10:51 am
Reading this thread convinces me that I won't be buying Apple stock any time soon.
bbro • Jun 11, 2013 11:23 am
UGH! If I stick with Verizon, I have to sign another 2yr contract or pay full (insane) price for a new phone.

Glatt - serious Applers will always and only buy iPhones. I had a co-worker who bought the iPhone 5 just because it was new. Her iPhone 4 wasn't even a year old
Undertoad • Jun 11, 2013 1:55 pm
Nobody is buying Apple stock right now. Which means: time to buy.

Yesterday was an big Apple developers conference and the tech press seems to think they have announced nothing particularly special and so their stock dropped again. It's 40% off their peak price.

Nobody seems to have noticed that a version of iOS to run in cars could easily be the next big thing...
Perry Winkle • Jun 11, 2013 3:19 pm
I think Apple is legitimately off their peak. I don't think there will be much profit in iOS for automobiles. Developers are starting to leak away toward Linux (some of us just returning home).

Seems to me that developer interest has been a leading indicator of Apple's health at least twice in its existence.
glatt • Jun 11, 2013 3:27 pm
Did I mention that my brother used to work for Apple and now works with the iPod and iPhone inventor making thermostats at Nest? ;)
tw • Jun 12, 2013 6:19 am
Undertoad;867744 wrote:
Nobody is buying Apple stock right now. Which means: time to buy.
You missing the oppurtunity a few months ago. Apple had dropped to a very key number: a P/E ratio of nine. Now it is up so much as to be a P/E ratio of 11.

The 'next big' product that so many expect include the cell phone watch and interactive TV. Nobody is talking. Curiously, nobody is even discussing what we might expect.

Meanwhile, Google is doing to Apple today what Microsoft/Intel/Compaq did to Apple 30 years ago. Another example of why we must learn from history. Since many do not learn or forget history, then the same mistakes are made again 30 years later.
Clodfobble • Jun 12, 2013 12:30 pm
tw wrote:
The 'next big' product that so many expect include the cell phone watch


I've heard some people talking about this, and I just can't see it catching on. It's like bluetooth earpieces, the ideal product may make sense but the reality is that people just look like dorks wearing them. It'll be too big to be subtle and yet not big enough to accomplish anything with it.
glatt • Jun 12, 2013 12:40 pm
especially women. Men's watches are larger, and some men really like a big masculine looking hunk of metal on their wrist. But women's fashions seem to go the opposite direction with watches that are so small you can't easily read them. I can't imagine many women wanting a watch phone larger than a quarter.
Pete Zicato • Jun 12, 2013 12:42 pm
I have the LG Bluetooth headphones. Very nice sound and don't look any worse than other headphones.
Perry Winkle • Jun 12, 2013 4:19 pm
In 10-15 years "cell phones" will be a subcutaneous implant, probably in/near the ear canal (or with a "speaker" that directs sound there). 5-10 years later it'll interface directly to your brain and nobody will speak anymore.
Perry Winkle • Jun 12, 2013 4:19 pm
"Your cell phone bulge is so big, why don't you get the new Microogle iePhone?"
Clodfobble • Jun 12, 2013 6:59 pm
Pete Zicato wrote:
I have the LG Bluetooth headphones. Very nice sound and don't look any worse than other headphones.


Sure, I don't mean headphones for listening to music. I mean those things that hook over one ear for making phone calls, and if you're turned the wrong way no one can figure out why you're having a full-volume conversation with yourself.
zippyt • Jun 12, 2013 11:19 pm
Those little bluetooth ear pieces are irradiating when you are talking to some body and they just turn away and start gabbing , But Verry handy when you are working on some thing and need to call tech support
Lola Bunny • Jun 13, 2013 10:23 pm
glatt;867826 wrote:
especially women. Men's watches are larger, and some men really like a big masculine looking hunk of metal on their wrist. But women's fashions seem to go the opposite direction with watches that are so small you can't easily read them. I can't imagine many women wanting a watch phone larger than a quarter.


Watches are bigger now, both for men AND women. I see more big watches than small for women. While I prefer more of a moderate size watch, my mom and my sister prefer the bigger size.
Lola Bunny • Jun 13, 2013 10:41 pm
bbro;867734 wrote:
I am doing this stuff now. I want a galaxy, but I am waffling more on the plans. Virgin gives all unlimited for 55. Verizon just offered me unlimited voice and text +2gb for 60. I don't think I will use the data that much. Maybe just checking email or the occasional search, but I don't know if 2gb is a lot or not.

I have been with verizon for over 10 years and I trust its reliability. I can be somewhere that I am the only person with signal. Lots of phones don't have service in rural WV and that is where my dad works. Plus, when I fix up the car, I will probably be driving through the boonies.

I hate making decisions like this. :|
For me, dependability of signal is important. That's what I stayed with Verizon for many years until of certain circumstances made me switch to AT&T. If you'd like to have cell signal driving through the boonies, then just stick with Verizon. A 2 yr contract is no big deal. Before you know it, you've signed contract with them a few more times. I'm getting 450 mins of voice, 1000 text, and 2G of data for $90. Yeah, your $60 sounds pretty good to me. I'm usually surrounded by Wifi so I hardly use my data. 2G is more than enough for me. Just a funny story. Verizon has been the most reliable for me in the past years. However when I was up in the mountain in New York a few years back, I was the only one with cell phone service and I was using At&T back then. Other Verizon users had no bar. :p:
jimhelm • Jun 13, 2013 11:50 pm
I borrowed a friends note 2. This phone is SO cool. It has a handwriting to text feature in the note pad program that I love. I used to have a Palm pilot that did that. But that was a little box where you put in one letter at a time. This waits for you to finish the word and then it goes. Really accurate, even with my handwriting. ..

The stylus makes the swype feature hella easy, too. It is huge though. ...

I borrowed it to see how the reception on the T mobile network would be at my house., but now I'm conflicted about which phone I want again. My fat fingertips make writing a Bitch, but the stylus cures that.
jimhelm • Jun 13, 2013 11:53 pm
Oh, I am getting 4g lte here on my porch. I only get 1to3 bars of 3g with sprint. I think I'm going to switch to tmobile.

Now I just have to decide which phone again. Dammit.
Lola Bunny • Jun 14, 2013 1:28 pm
My sister has the Note 2, and she loves it also. She doesn't have a tablet so the Note for her is like a phone and tablet in one. I think the difference between the Note and Galaxy 4 is the size.
jimhelm • Jun 14, 2013 4:36 pm
Ok,I got the s4. This is my first post from it. lam Using the hand writing input method.. pretty freak in cool.
Lola Bunny • Jun 14, 2013 6:28 pm
:thumb2: I'm thinking of getting that when my contract ends.
jimhelm • Jun 14, 2013 7:27 pm
do it. If for no other reason than the screen of this thing is like one of those ebooks. It's totally flat white with letters... it looks like you're looking at paper
jimhelm • Jun 15, 2013 4:50 pm
what a cool phone. The voice to text thing is much better than previous phones. It doesn't cut off after you stop a sentence with a period. lol, I had to stop and go back to the manual text entry to get the word 'period' To show up.... twice
lumberjim • Jun 19, 2013 1:01 pm
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zippyt • Jun 19, 2013 6:20 pm
cool !!
Lola Bunny • Jun 19, 2013 10:16 pm
Nice!
lumberjim • Jun 22, 2013 2:16 pm
My new favorite app!
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The humidity was up to about 76 percent on hour ago at 86 degrees F
lumberjim • Jun 22, 2013 2:16 pm
I like that I can take a screenshot now too. That was something my old phone could not do
Lamplighter • Jun 22, 2013 3:21 pm
lumberjim;868599 wrote:
My new favorite app!
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The humidity was up to about 76 percent on hour ago at 86 degrees F


Are you sure you're supposed to use your phone in the bathtub ?
lumberjim • Jun 22, 2013 3:46 pm
Did I mention that it has a5 inch high definition screen for those incognito tab moments?
Clodfobble • Jun 22, 2013 6:12 pm
lumberjim wrote:
those incognito tab moments


Right right, like when you're buying your significant other a birthday present and you don't want them to ruin the surprise?
lumberjim • Jun 23, 2013 12:59 am
No, like when you're masturbating.
Undertoad • Jun 23, 2013 9:55 am
Everybody, look at Jim! He masturbates! Ha ha ha ha ha!!!
lumberjim • Jun 24, 2013 11:35 pm
My Spigen Glas tR slim screen protector and 32G microSD card arrived today.

The glass screen cover is super slippery, crystal clear and fits perfectly.

Those military grade zag covers are good, but they always have a bit of a visible ripple to them. This is like bit having one, but having one.
lumberjim • Aug 10, 2013 7:37 am
Ok, update.

I duckling love this phone.

Get one.

Also, I dropped it last night, and cracked the screen cover. Just a little in the one corner, but, now it looks like a phone with a cracked screen. .. only its not. I ordered another spigen glas tr and will be replacing this one. I think my screen would have cracked if it had not been there, so. .. well worth the $34.
lumberjim • Aug 10, 2013 7:48 am
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This is my current favorite app. Mounted on a Ram X Grip cell phone Mount on the left handle bar, I now have an accurate speedo in my glance distance instead of having to look down at the gas tank.

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The Black rectangle is my phone case, shown because I was using the phone to take the picture.

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The xgrip has 4 little rubber grippers that keep your phone in reach.

The Ulysses speedometer app also has a program launcher that let's me start Pandora or Waze or maps or whatever app I set up ahead of time in 2 clicks.

Also, multiple trip meters that store history, Max speed records, and alarms if I go over x mph. The dial turns red at 66mph, for example. .. and you can set those speeds.

One of the few apps I've paid for. $1.99 and also well worth it.
lumberjim • Aug 10, 2013 7:51 am
Plus, I now have removed that ugly wristwatch from my mirror because my phone shows me what time it is.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2013 3:17 pm
Heh heh...
glatt • Aug 13, 2013 3:38 pm
too true
lumberjim • Oct 30, 2013 10:18 pm
I dropped my phone and cracked the screen Saturday night.

$175 deductible. Asurion sent me a new phone. I turn it on, swap the sim and sd cards, and it starts loading all the apps I had on my old one. Pretty slick.
Lola Bunny • Nov 12, 2013 10:49 pm
Are you still loving your Galaxy 4, Jim? I read that the internal LCD cracks with just slight movements and that it over heats. Do you have any of these problems?
classicman • Nov 12, 2013 11:24 pm
OK, I'm due... Son says get the I-Phone. Daughter says get a Samsung.

I don't know which I-Phone to even consider.

I dislike the HUGENESS of the Galaxy.

Go...
Clodfobble • Nov 13, 2013 9:59 am
Neither. Get an HTC One. I adore mine.
Undertoad • Nov 13, 2013 10:07 am
What carrier?
Clodfobble • Nov 13, 2013 10:36 am
Did you mean me, or classic? I'm on T-Mobile.
lumberjim • Nov 13, 2013 11:02 am
Lola Bunny;883303 wrote:
Are you still loving your Galaxy 4, Jim? I read that the internal LCD cracks with just slight movements and that it over heats. Do you have any of these problems?


yup. I love it. And I've dropped mine serval times. The first time it only cracked the cover, the last time it was the actual gorilla glass. The lcd survived both. Never felt it getting hot.

The iphone looks tiny to me.
Undertoad • Nov 13, 2013 12:02 pm
I was asking Classic about carrier, but it's a good question for everyone. Seems like T-Mo is on the rise unless you live in Griff country.
lumberjim • Nov 13, 2013 12:53 pm
Yeah. I like t mobile just fine
glatt • Nov 13, 2013 1:09 pm
I have AT&T on my work phone, and it's fine. Sucks in the subway, but good everywhere else. Verizon is apparently good in the subway.

Wife has Virgin Mobile no contract, and loves it. I think they use the Sprint system. She's thinking about upgrading her phone. Not enough memory for the apps she wants. She wants to stay with Virgin Mobile because of the low cost.
BigV • Nov 13, 2013 1:25 pm
I have Virgin Mobile, and it's ok. There are some areas of thin coverage here in town. The price is right, $35/month, 300 minutes and unlimited 3G data, month to month, no contract (I really like that part). There was a limited number of phones available and I paid retail ($300) for mine, an HTC 3D EVO.
kethy • Nov 25, 2013 12:35 am
Which cell phone is best for use during travel? I am little confused and I want to get some ideas from the above members who are having big knowledge about this. Basically I am a tourist and also I like to take best and important cell phones. However anyone has ideas for me then you must guide me soon.
classicman • Nov 30, 2013 12:09 am
Spammy Spammer is spamming
lumberjim • Nov 15, 2014 12:05 am
I got the Note 4 today. I am pleased. I use my phone mostly to read things. So why not get the biggest one that makes browsing and texting easier? besides, I have big ham hands, and this stylus is the shizznit . I'm writing this post. In my re tard hand writing and it converts it into tex+ . pretty accurate too !

I have yet to get all up in it's business, but l am optimistic about it.
lumberjim • Nov 15, 2014 12:11 am
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Lol, it's too fast for me to catch it with a screen shot. l'll try again. ..
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Lola Bunny • Nov 15, 2014 7:22 pm
Super cool!!! :D
infinite monkey • Nov 15, 2014 10:24 pm
I don't even get what that means.
BigV • Nov 16, 2014 7:27 pm
I got a message today from Virgin Mobile saying that the 300 minutes included in my plan has been changed to unlimited minutes per month. woot.

The net effect is that I no longer ask my friends who call me on my mobile phone to call me back on the house phone.
chrisinhouston • Nov 21, 2014 3:40 pm
Well, I got my new phone and am really happy with it. I ended up getting the new LG-G3 which is a bigger model phone, not quite the size of the iPhone 6+ but close. I got it from Amazon for 1 cent and renewing my 2 year contract; couldn't beat that deal!

It arrived Tuesday evening so I just charged the battery and sort of checked it out but waited until I had time on Wednesday to activate it and start migrating my settings and files over to it from the old phone. It all went pretty easy, the hardest thing was adding all my email accounts because I have several and they are all IMAP ones and I had to enter all the incoming and outgoing server settings, a real pain in the ass. The other thing is after I added the apps I like I had to go into several where I am registered and enter the user name or email and the password, sites like Pandora, TuneMeInRadio, Pinterest, etc. And I use LastPass to generate passwords so most are long and rather complex with lots of punctuation and a mix of upper and lower case letters and numbers.

Then I messed with ringtones and notification sounds. Some I really got used to from the Samsung phone and found I could just download them. I also added a bunch of ones I've collected like the one for when my wife calls me. It's the scene from the Alien movie where the Nostromo space ship is about to self destruct and the nice woman's voice keeps saying over all the sirens and bells "Danger, the emergency destruct sequence has now been activated. The ship will self-destruct in t-minus, ten minutes. The option to override automatic detonation will expire in t-minus, FIVE MINUTES. " :D
lumberjim • Nov 22, 2014 9:13 am
I should get that one for Ripley's ring tone

I get my notifications from Zedge.

RIght now my ring tone is the Sanford & Son song, my text alert is a Turkey Gobbling, and Email is the arrow thudding into Concord as he crosses the creek with Sir Lancelot. thwaaaaang.... thup! message for you sir!
gvidas • Jan 12, 2015 3:37 pm
Seems like this thread has good advice mojo. My turn?

I've been rocking an iphone 4s + prepaid non-contract (straight talk) for a few years.

Wifi on the phone seems to have kicked the bucket today, which kinda sucks -- I use this phone a lot on for on-the-go emails. I'm going to try and eke a few more months out of it, but I'm taking this as a sign to start looking for a new phone.

My main conundrum: I think phones are too large. I'm really reluctant to go physically larger than a 4s, which rules out newer Apple devices (see chart). I don't have anything ideologically against going Android, but the shopping experience is kind of overwhelming. Too many choices.

Secondary conundrum: I'm abusive to phones. It gets dropped a lot. Carried in a pocket with screws and saw dust. Carried in an uninsulated pocket in subzero weather. Used with greasy hands. I am honestly amazed this phone is not yet destroyed.

It looks like I can pick up another 4s on fleabay for $180-250 depending on how refurbished it is. I'd be willing to spend a few hundo more for something a few years newer/not refurbished, if it's an actual improvement. Thoughts?
Undertoad • Jan 12, 2015 3:50 pm
It really depends on how you use it, what you want out of it, etc. What apps do you run? How long do you want your battery to run?

It sounds like an Otterbox Defender would be a good idea. Pricey, but if it saves you a phone,... here's the link

Otterbox Commuter and Defender series for 4s
lumberjim • Jan 12, 2015 3:52 pm
I'm 6'2" and have big hands. The Note4 looks like a normal phone in my hand.

We have a Vietnamese guy here that is 104lbs. (I think my legs weigh that much each) He's maybe 5 ft tall. He has a new Samsung that he really likes. It's super light and about the size of an iphone. I have found the Samsung phones to be far superior to any of the motorola, nokia or LG phones I've had.

maybe have a look at that S5 mini.
lumberjim • Jan 12, 2015 4:40 pm
CORRECTION

he has the Alpha

comparison
Clodfobble • Jan 12, 2015 5:46 pm
I adore my HTC One. It's smaller than my husband's Galaxy, and I find the buttons far more intuitive. I've dropped it repeatedly, and the kids have stood on it repeatedly, and it's never taken any damage. I don't remember what brand of case I have around it, but it's semi-soft plastic and extremely thin, so I can't imagine it's helping all that much.
gvidas • Jan 12, 2015 9:01 pm
I think the thing that makes me glaze over when it's phone-shopping time is that I just don't care enough relative to how much information is available. All the reviews/info sites go on and on about features that are either presumably important, but esoteric (some specific processor!); clearly not important but presented as though they are (heart rate sensor!); or presenting as positive things that I consider negatives (massive screen!) To be more fair to the phone industry: largely I just don't have the patience for decisions between subtle choices, especially when it appears that the subtle choices are in fact significant.

I want a phone that's reliable: it rings when someone calls me. Beyond that, I'm thrilled if I can do some basic math on it, check emails, read a PDF, search the web, and take a quick picture. I've been slowly gaining an appreciation for all the other smartphone perks (music, etc), but most of the time I'm at work or at home, where if I were less lazy I could have my laptop handy. If 2015 is the year that Peak Oil/Colony Collapse Disorder/etc ends the world as we know it, and I have to go back to a rudimentary flip phone, I'd be fine with that. I'd leave reading material in the bathroom and probably be completely fine with the rest, phone-usage-wise.

In terms of battery life, I'm happy to charge a phone nightly.

In terms of durability/cases, this 4s is more or less unscathed after ~2.25 years of steady (ab)use, notwithstanding the wifi dying (which I am concluding is a hardware problem, and altho there is an amazing guide on how to fix it I'm not going to go there.) I put it immediately into an Incipio case. Actually, that's a lie -- the cord port is a little funky, there's a specific angle that the cord has to be at to charge. But the occasional drop onto a sidewalk / concrete floor (once it came out of my pocket onto pavement while bicycling) has yet to crack the screen, which I'm lead to believe is the usual first failure.
Undertoad • Jan 12, 2015 9:56 pm
I'll skip over the part where you didn't install Tapatalk to browse the Cellar -- because that will make you want a bigger phone.

You are Apple target market: make it so that it works, control the environment, remove choices if they are more bothersome than helpful.

The 4 generation iPhone was designed to shatter the screen on drops, but if you put it in a case, that design is lost.
gvidas • Jan 12, 2015 11:53 pm
Yeah, that sweet spot of an exhausted / overwhelmed consumer: "fuckit, I'll just buy this maybe it'll work."

Wasn't there a psych study involving bombarding people with questions and then asking them to resist eating cake, and if you bombard them with more questions they can't resist cake as well?

A phone is so central to life now. The stakes feel higher. But it's really just a piece of techno-consumer crap. I could probably stop answering the phone and do just fine for the next several months, conduct all business by email. Maybe "no phone" will be the next curmudgeonly small business trend, like the hip new bars/restaurants that are cash only.



Do you say "designed to shatter" as a sarcastic critique of the design, or is there some practical advantage, like crumple zones on a racecar?
lumberjim • Jan 13, 2015 12:15 am
If it shatters, you have to buy another
Undertoad • Jan 13, 2015 12:33 am
It's my critique of the design.

On the 4, the glass sticks up above the aluminum edge. This means a glass edge is almost always the first thing to hit the ground when the phone is dropped. Then they decided to use a harder glass to avoid scratching. Harder glass shatters instead of flexing a tiny amount.

They changed this for the 5, and now a drop is just a scuffed up corner.
Carruthers • Feb 2, 2015 3:12 pm
Well, I've finally been dragged, kicking and screaming, into the age of the smart phone.

For years I've had a PAYG phone which was OK as far as it went, but calls were a crippling £0.40 per min.
That's about $0.60, so a twenty minute call would set me back the equivalent of $12.
Texts were £0.14 each. That was with Vodafone by the way.

Today an iPhone 4s arrived which I know is not the newest model but I got a pretty good deal, as these things go, so I'm quite happy with it.
There was no 'up front' cost for the phone and £15 ($22.50) per month on a two year contract, buys 500 mins talk time, 5000 texts and 500mb of data.
The network is Talkmobile which is a virtual operator and piggy backs on the Vodafone network.
It's better value than going direct to Vodafone on a similar contract.

I'm still getting to grips with all the settings although I made my first call to Sundae this evening and that went well.
The old phone will remain in service for a day or two until I get a protective wallet for the new one.
I tend to have all manner of detritus in the pockets of my outdoor clothing, usually dog biscuit shrapnel, so I need some method of protecting it.

I just hope it doesn't go wrong!
glatt • Feb 2, 2015 3:20 pm
I also have the 4S and recently replaced the battery to give it new life. It's still an amazing phone, two years later.

I've got the Otterbox Commuter, and it's a really good protector.

My favorite App is the Smugmug Camera Awesome, which allows you to control the focus and exposure setting of the camera. It was free.
Carruthers • Feb 2, 2015 3:25 pm
glatt;921060 wrote:
I also have the 4S and recently replaced the battery to give it new life. It's still an amazing phone, two years later.

I've got the Otterbox Commuter, and it's a really good protector.

My favorite App is the Smugmug Camera Awesome, which allows you to control the focus and exposure setting of the camera. It was free.


Thanks for that glatt. I've heard good things about Otterbox products. I'll investigate further.

Rechargeable batteries are always a bit of a worry, so if I manage to get two years of service out of the present one, I think I'll be reasonably happy with that.
glatt • Feb 2, 2015 3:32 pm
I started getting annoyed with the battery after a year and a half. But you put up with these annoyances for a while before you do something about it. Replacing the battery was actually fairly easy. Ebay sells these inexpensive battery kits with jewelers screwdrivers included, and there are tons of videos on youtube showing how to do it. If I could go back in time, I would have replaced the battery after a year. File this in the back of your mind for future reference.
Happy Monkey • Feb 2, 2015 3:36 pm
Carruthers;921058 wrote:
There was no 'up front' cost for the phone and £15 ($22.50) per month on a two year contract, buys 500 mins talk time, 5000 texts and 500mb of data.
Keep an eye on that. Coming from a non-smart-phone, 500mb might seem like a lot, but the phone is going to make using that up very easy.

I'm not saying to buy more data, just keep in mind that there are apps that can use it very quickly.
Carruthers • Feb 2, 2015 3:47 pm
glatt;921062 wrote:
I started getting annoyed with the battery after a year and a half. But you put up with these annoyances for a while before you do something about it. Replacing the battery was actually fairly easy. Ebay sells these inexpensive battery kits with jewelers screwdrivers included, and there are tons of videos on youtube showing how to do it. If I could go back in time, I would have replaced the battery after a year. File this in the back of your mind for future reference.


Done!

Happy Monkey;921063 wrote:
Keep an eye on that. Coming from a non-smart-phone, 500mb might seem like a lot, but the phone is going to make using that up very easy.

I'm not saying to buy more data, just keep in mind that there are apps that can use it very quickly.


Yes, I'm wary of coming a cropper on that front so my usage will be carefully monitored. No, make that very carefully monitored.
glatt • Feb 2, 2015 4:09 pm
It's easy to just have it run on wifi when you are at a hot spot so you do your heavy lifting with that.
Carruthers • Feb 2, 2015 4:45 pm
glatt;921070 wrote:
It's easy to just have it run on wifi when you are at a hot spot so you do your heavy lifting with that.


I've got it working on my wifi network OK. In the event of web access being required, and no available wifi network, does it default to the cell phone network and use up data that way?
Happy Monkey • Feb 2, 2015 5:31 pm
Yes, and lots of apps do periodic network access which can use data, but well behaved ones ought not use too much.

But if you get in the habit of using a data-intensive app on your wifi, you might use it without thinking when you're away. I watched a couple of Youtube videos, and it ate into my data limit real fast.
limey • Feb 2, 2015 5:32 pm
You can usually set a "mobile data limit" which should alert you when you're getting close to your data allowance limit. I don't have a large limit and find that as long as I don't watch films (or moving images of any sort) or stream (download) music from I never have a problem.


Sent by thought transference
Carruthers • Feb 2, 2015 5:38 pm
Happy Monkey;921079 wrote:
Yes, and lots of apps do periodic network access which can use data, but well behaved ones ought not use too much.

But if you get in the habit of using a data-intensive app on your wifi, you might use it without thinking when you're away. I watched a couple of Youtube videos, and it ate into my data limit real fast.


Thanks for that explanation. I don't think I shall have the need for net access when I'm on the move so I hope to dodge the data bullet.
Carruthers • Feb 2, 2015 5:40 pm
limey;921080 wrote:
You can usually set a "mobile data limit" which should alert you when you're getting close to your data allowance limit. I don't have a large limit and find that as long as I don't watch films (or moving images of any sort) or stream (download) music from I never have a problem.


Sent by thought transference


Ah thanks for that insight, limey. I'm sure that there's the means to monitor and limit data use but I have yet to find it!
Happy Monkey • Feb 2, 2015 6:23 pm
I have a Samsung, using Verizon, and both Samsung and Verizon provide data monitoring apps. The Verizon one even has a meter that shows how much you've used this month on the icon itself.

See if Apple and/or your provider have similar apps.
BigV • Feb 3, 2015 12:12 pm
another consideration is how you're connecting to the internet.

earlier, up-thread, someone mentioned "wi-fi". in the context of the post, I think they meant internet access via phone while wandering around. strictly speaking, "wi-fi" is wireless internet via a wireless access point, like you might have in your home or at a coffee shop. At least, that's the way is it around here. the other way to reach the internet via your phone is via the cell phone network. It is that network, sometimes called "mobile data", that counts against the 500 MB / month data limit.

Where possible, connect to wi-fi (don't know what it looks like on an iphone, the terms/screen/etc), and save access to the internet via cell phone networks for when local, wireless networks are unavailable. this will help conserve your data usage.
Carruthers • Feb 3, 2015 1:16 pm
Thanks, BigV.

Yes, I've configured the phone to my home wifi network but I until I become used to all the settings I remain a little concerned that I might be downloading huge wedges of data against my 500mb allocation.

I probably won't have too much cause to use the cell phone network for internet access as, due to domestic constraints, I don't wander too far from home.
On the other hand, when the stock market next tanks and my pension fund heads south at a rate of knots, I could have a ringside seat while taking the dog for a walk, courtesy of Bloomberg and Apple!
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 3, 2015 5:40 pm
When you and the dog are out communing with nature, why would you want to watch a carnage? Sure, it would directly affect you, but you couldn't do anything about it. :confused:
Carruthers • Feb 3, 2015 5:42 pm
xoxoxoBruce;921137 wrote:
When you and the dog are out communing with nature, why would you want to watch a carnage? Sure, it would directly affect you, but you couldn't do anything about it. :confused:


Morbid curiosity!
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 3, 2015 6:02 pm
I see, your living arrangement makes it difficult to practice your masochism. :haha:


Hmm, on second thought, maybe not.
lumberjim • Jun 10, 2017 3:56 pm
Amanda gets her phone service paid by the new employer. So she had to choose a new phone through their plan. She got the new galaxy S8. For free. The bitch.

So, since her coming off my bill took $70/mo away, I ordered myself an S8+.

I take back calling her a bitch.

I still had to pay $130 upfront and $30/mo x 24, but my bill will still be $40 less than last month.
BigV • Jun 10, 2017 5:22 pm
If my bill was $40 less, they'd be writing me a check.
lumberjim • Jun 10, 2017 5:33 pm
Best part is that she will be on Verizon, so we might actually have a signal when we go anywhere else.
lumberjim • Jun 27, 2017 4:41 pm
this phone is good. real good. It feels smaller in my hand than the Note4, but the screen is a god bit larger. and it's gorgeous. picture is tighter than my tv and blacks are blacker etc... amazing things, these phones today.

I'm used to Next Launcher from my old phone, and I still use it on here, but it seems like the phone does much of that stuff on it's own. super customizability. wicked fast and slick as hell.

go get you one, hear?
lumberjim • Jun 27, 2017 4:51 pm
Undertoad;867744 wrote:
Nobody is buying Apple stock right now. Which means: time to buy.

Yesterday was an big Apple developers conference and the tech press seems to think they have announced nothing particularly special and so their stock dropped again. It's 40% off their peak price.

Nobody seems to have noticed that a version of iOS to run in cars could easily be the next big thing...



on June 26th 2013 (shortly after your suggestion above) Apple stock opened at $57. It closed today at $143.73

if you had acted on your own advice and purchased $2500 worth of stock, 43 shares would be worth $6180. 40% return.

Maybe I'll listen next time you talk about stocks.
Clodfobble • Jun 27, 2017 7:37 pm
That's 40% over 4 years, though. Dow Jones over that same time frame went from 14,910 to 21,310 = also basically 40%.

You find something that gets you 40% in one year, then you're talking.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 28, 2017 12:00 am
But I only made 9% last year. :(
tw • Jun 28, 2017 8:56 am
xoxoxoBruce;991380 wrote:
But I only made 9% last year. :(

One should average 8% annually. Demonstrates why stock broker advice and mutual funds are for losers.

8% annually is 36% in four years. Double money in nine years.
classicman • Jun 28, 2017 4:04 pm
tw;991404 wrote:
8% annually is 36% in four years. Double money in nine years.

No, its not. One would need to add into account the compounded interest.
Happy Monkey • Jun 28, 2017 4:58 pm
tw was right; without compounding, it's 32%
classicman • Jun 28, 2017 5:33 pm
Duh ... would one ignore the compounding? everyone here knows 4x8=32
Happy Monkey • Jun 28, 2017 7:10 pm
Sorry; internet tone is hard to read. Are you being self-deprecating? tw said 36%, not 32%.
classicman • Jun 30, 2017 5:48 pm
lol ... tone, yes.