Underwater Photography

BigV • Mar 6, 2008 12:40 pm
We're traveling to Hawaii this spring and I am planning to take some pictures underwater. I am trying to decide what to use to take the pictures. I have a Canon Poweshot A710IS, which I love. I am fairly competent with the camera and the camera's specifications and capabilities are quite a good match for most of my photographic needs. But that doesn't extend to underwater photography.

I see Canon makes an underwater housing, WP-DC6, available for about $125, +- $25. That would make it an expensive accessory, with limited use, since I don't dive very much anymore, though I do have my NAUI open water certification. Perhaps with the addition of underwater photography as a draw, I would dive more. We certainly have excellent diving options in my area. But that's well into the future.

There is probably a third party housing for this camera, from Ikelite, or Pelican, or some other company, but I haven't explored this avenue very far yet. The same additional use during other dive trips would accrue to this choice as well.

Another option would be an additional camera that has underwater capabilities built in. In this area I have noticed the SW line from Olympus, especially the 770SW and the 1030SW, both good to 10 meters, which is plenty for my intended use as a skin diving photography tool. The difference in the specs between the 770SW and the 1030SW are not entirely clear to me. I understand differences in the digital side, but the strictly optical differences, like lens specifications are beyond my current understanding.

As I compare these two models, I am thinking about making this camera available to SonofV, who would be able to use it (and abuse it). In addition to the underwater protections, the specifications indicate that it is shockproof to 2 meters, and protected against dust and freezing. These are all good features for a photographer who might be rough on the gear, or would want a tougher camera for rougher environments, like camping and hiking and backpacking. And skateboarding.

These two units cost approximately $250 and $400 each. Naturally I want to choose well. I don't consider this level of disposable income to be used on a disposable device.

Which brings me to the next option I thought of, disposable underwater cameras, film or digital. With processing, I reckon these would do the job, but for about a dollar a shot. Very expensive per photo, and I would have to really retrain myself from my current "electrons are free" state of mind behind the viewfinder. I have used these cameras before, long ago, and they're minimally acceptable, but not my first choice.

Are there any underwater photographers down here in the cellar? What have your experiences been like? Do you have any images to share? Wisdom to share? What am I missing, what should I be looking for? I don't get opportunities for trips like this very often, and I want to prepare well, so I can bring back some nice pictures.

I welcome your comments.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2008 12:48 pm
Hopefully seakdiver will weigh in on this, as she has done a lot of underwater stuff.
TheMercenary • Mar 6, 2008 1:03 pm
We lived in Hawaii for 3 years, where you guys headed? Want some suggestions of places to see?
glatt • Mar 6, 2008 1:30 pm
I've only used the disposable film type, and they are marginal at best. Before you go that route, I suggest you dig up your old pictures and look at them. I bet your memory of the quality is a little generous. If I recall correctly, you can't shoot any closer than around 6 feet.
Tink • Mar 6, 2008 2:42 pm
TheMercenary;437048 wrote:
We lived in Hawaii for 3 years, where you guys headed? Want some suggestions of places to see?


Mauna Lani close to Waikoloa. Just north of Kona. Doing the volcano park bit of course. Have a house to bunk in on the beach with snorkeling paradise at our disposal. Will visit Akaka Falls but beyond that.... I heard that Waipio Valley lookout is great. Have a book but personal experiences and suggestions always help.
Elspode • Mar 6, 2008 2:50 pm
Where's that pesky Envy smilie?

Oh well, this will have to do... :greenface
glatt • Mar 6, 2008 3:38 pm
Tink;437061 wrote:
I heard that Waipio Valley lookout is great.


The lookout is nice, or you can get a tour of the valley itself. My wife and I did the tour about 15 years ago on our honeymoon, and there was a guy who would take you down into the valley in his 4wd and then put you in his old wagon pulled by mules. It's fun. But wear your seatbelt for protection during the crash with the other tour van.
TheMercenary • Mar 6, 2008 8:52 pm
Tink;437061 wrote:
Mauna Lani close to Waikoloa. Just north of Kona. Doing the volcano park bit of course. Have a house to bunk in on the beach with snorkeling paradise at our disposal. Will visit Akaka Falls but beyond that.... I heard that Waipio Valley lookout is great. Have a book but personal experiences and suggestions always help.

The black sand beach is a must, walk the lava fields but bring some really good shoes. Try to get down into where you can see the lava pouring into the ocean, esp at dusk or night, what a site. We stayed at a military camp ground near the volcano national park, another must see, and don't bring home any sample of volcano rock it is really bad luck, there are all these testimonials and letters from people who sent them back after vacations.

Hilo was cool. The Big Island is very rural. Do some on line research about the Tsunami that hit Hilo, the pics are wild. If there is any advice I could give it is get off the beaten path of the regular tourist stuff as often as possible. There are numerous ancient temples dotting the islands and people often leave an offering at them, you will see rocks and other things tied up with Tea leaves resting on the temples and sacred sites.

I could go on for hours... most of all enjoy yourselves and rest and relax in the beautiful ocean breeze and watch the sun set with some iced drinks with a little umbrella in them. Go for the Mai Tai.
Tink • Mar 7, 2008 3:14 pm
TheMercenary;437120 wrote:
The black sand beach is a must, walk the lava fields but bring some really good shoes. Try to get down into where you can see the lava pouring into the ocean, esp at dusk or night, what a site.

There are numerous ancient temples dotting the islands and people often leave an offering at them, you will see rocks and other things tied up with Tea leaves resting on the temples and sacred sites.

I could go on for hours... most of all enjoy yourselves and rest and relax in the beautiful ocean breeze and watch the sun set with some iced drinks with a little umbrella in them. Go for the Mai Tai.


I've seen pics of the lava at night. It'll be a must I think. Have to make sure to find that particular place.

Are there signs to the temples, I would imagine? I think the kids will get a kick out of that. Shades of Annie Palmer's House in Jamaica.

Mai Tai's, absolutely. Mai Tai Mike's Tiki Hut just outside the Hilton which is across the bay.

Thanks for the hints!
glatt • Mar 7, 2008 3:30 pm
FYI the hot lava flows have typically been to the East side of the volcano, you are going to be on the West side. It's about 150 miles from Kona to the lava flow that crosses Chain of Craters Road and flows to the sea. It may not be active when you are there. Several hours to drive there on the two lane road.

Google Earth coordinates for the end of the road: 19.303822, -155.083775

the lava enters the sea about 2 miles East of where the road is first buried.
HungLikeJesus • May 6, 2008 12:33 pm
It's interesting that the Underwater Photography thread doesn't seem to contain any underwater photography.

BigV, what housing did you end up with, and what's your impression so far?
BigV • May 6, 2008 12:36 pm
Thread first....pictures later.

Happy now? :p

eta: I got the one listed in the opening post, the WP-DC6.
HungLikeJesus • May 6, 2008 12:50 pm
Two years ago I bought an underwater camera (film) that was on clearance. I was going to Puerto Vallarta and expected to do some snorkeling. I just saw that camera this morning and realized that I never used it. Maybe I should donate it to Goodwill.
BigV • May 6, 2008 2:44 pm
What make and model?

I have an oversupply of goodwill right now. Perhaps we could do business.
HungLikeJesus • May 6, 2008 3:40 pm
I'll try to remember to look at it when I get home tonight.
HungLikeJesus • May 7, 2008 1:35 pm
It's a Sealife ReefMaster RC SL201 (which you can see here).

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It includes the camera (which is in an underwater case), the care kit, manual and yellow Pelican-type case (with pressure release valve).

You can buy one here for $99, or if somebody is interested in it, I'll give you mine in exchange for a donation to the Cellar tip mug. I'll even pay shipping.
TheMercenary • May 7, 2008 11:30 pm
HungLikeJesus;451714 wrote:
It's a Sealife ReefMaster RC SL201 (which you can see here).

Image
It includes the camera (which is in an underwater case), the care kit, manual and yellow Pelican-type case (with pressure release valve).

You can buy one here for $99, or if somebody is interested in it, I'll give you mine in exchange for a donation to the Cellar tip mug. I'll even pay shipping.

Damm HLJ I dropped $$ in the mug today, how much do I have to give to make it a deal? Drop me a PM.
Ibby • May 8, 2008 12:39 am
I'd try to get in on this deal too if i had more than about ten bucks in my bank account...
thats a pretty sweet little camera, and I'm SO into film.
BigV • May 8, 2008 4:28 pm
Combo RFN (last saturday) and Underwater Photo, a self portrait (actually six or seven self portraits--weird!). I like how the bubbles look like pupils! :lol:
xoxoxoBruce • May 9, 2008 2:18 am
BigV;452097 wrote:
I like how the bubbles look like pupils! :lol:
Diving school?
Sundae • May 9, 2008 6:59 pm
OOH!
Very case.
kerosene • May 9, 2008 7:12 pm
Heehee. What a cool shot!

If I were good with Photoshop, I would give V some tentacles coming out of his head. :)
skysidhe • May 10, 2008 10:41 pm
I like that grin :)
Tree Fae • May 11, 2008 12:46 am
I have used the Fuji and Kodak underwater cameras with pretty decent results. Mind you I only snorkel but the pictures are pretty decent and any good photo shop program clears up most of the flaws. Here is one that I took in
BigV • May 13, 2008 11:22 am
Cancun, I'm guessing.

Tree Fae, that's a nice shot. One I've seen many times in person during my own diving expeditions. Thanks for sharing it. One thing I'm looking forward to is experimenting with tools to make the pictures display on the screen like they look in my memory. Obviously I wasn't on this dive with you, but I did experiment a little with your image. Here's the result, trying to match my memories.
BigV • Jun 3, 2008 4:28 pm
Halocline or thermocline, I'm not certain which one caused this phenomenon. In all four pictures, the EXIF data shows no difference, but the shots really look different. The fish, a Spotted Puffer, basically circled my position and I followed him around. The light changes, the background changes, and the way the light moves through the water *REALLY* changes.

On this trip, when it comes to Underwater Photography, I learned this:

Water *eats* light.

This trip was so fun, I took a zillion pictures, and I'll be posting more, soon.
BigV • Jun 3, 2008 4:29 pm
Two more
BigV • Jun 3, 2008 7:18 pm
A couple more for the road:

pic01 -- Pinktail Triggerfish. I love how the dorsal and anal fins are transparent. So gaudy, so beautiful.

pic02 --A pair of Yellow tangs, also known as surgeonfish. See that white spot near the caudal fin? A sharp barb, for slashing. I have a couple other shots that show it to good effect. It's like a.... tusk. Wicked. The Saddleback Wrasse seems unconcerned, though, don't you think?
Sundae • Jun 3, 2008 7:39 pm
Even in an unfamiliar medium you still manage to capture beauty!

Glad you posted the Spotted Puffer sequence - shows the value of perseverance. And that a quality amateur doesn't expect one shot will do.
footfootfoot • Jun 3, 2008 8:07 pm
Crazy colors!
BigV • Jun 5, 2008 3:44 pm
A couple more:

This is a Lined Butterflyfish. We took a ziplog baggie of frozen peas out with us on one trip (and were scolded for our efforts by "some old lady" according to one of my diving partners). This made us very popular among the piscine porkers in the cove. This fellow's boldness was rewarded with a number of whole peas. He literally ate from my hand--then dashed away. Again and again his skittishness was barely mastered by his hunger.
dar512 • Jun 5, 2008 4:09 pm
Very cool, V. Peas? I would have never guessed.
BigV • Jun 5, 2008 4:23 pm
Here are a couple of glamor shots of a Moorish Idol.
BigV • Jun 5, 2008 5:09 pm
pic01 -- A pair of Ornate Butterflyfish. I have read that they mate for life. This pair seemed to dance and fly together in formation. They're lovely.

pic02 -- A Bullethead Parrotfish. The colors of this fish are dazzling. The picture really doesn't do it justice. And their feeding behavior is wild too--they bite off chunks of live coral and grind it to powder with bony plates in their throat, absorb the organic material and expel the rest, including the newly made sand. You can hear them chomping and grinding away. It's a pretty big fish too, probably 18 inches long.
HungLikeJesus • Jun 5, 2008 5:22 pm
I always hold my breath when opening this thread.
BigV • Jun 6, 2008 11:12 am
Ok, we can all breathe now. :lol: Well, at least I will, since this is a talk post, not a show post.

First, thanks for the compliments. I definitely am an amateur, but a persistent one. I am very glad I took a digital camera so I could indulge myself on the pictures. I was limited by my endurance only, not by memory capacity, or battery capacity or any other technical aspect. I took several hundred pictures underwater and in the water on this trip. It is inconceivable that I could have anything like that experience with a film camera.

Also, as a snorkeler, I had a very limited ability to stalk my subjects. When scuba diving, many times I would find an interesting place to watch and then just wait underwater, breathing calmly, not moving, letting the wildlife relax and be less alarmed by my alien presence. This is just ... not possible snorkeling. Perhaps on the surface, as I would drift along watching the life swim past below me. I did plenty of that and I have many pictures of the dorsal and caudal fins (backs and butts, that is) moving away from me . It was interesting to watch, but they don't make really nice fish pictures.

One of the things that I read before I went about composition that really stuck with me was "Try to have a conversation with the fish". I did have a couple brief "conversations", where we were face to face. I have to tell you, it was hard. I can hold my breath pretty well, and I'm very comfortable in the water. The conditions were optimal. But even with these prime circumstances, I scare the fish. Zip! Gone.

Some of my best shots were gotten by making a surface dive well away from my intended target, perhaps 15 to 20 feet. Then once I was at depth, say 10 feet, I could change my attitude to a horizontal one. This made seeing the viewfinder much easier. Think about it. When you're walking around, taking pictures, you're standing up (usually), eyes forward, looking at the viewfinder, with the camera pointing forward. For me, to get pictures of the *bottom*, I have to first get the camera there, and then be able to see the viewfinder. Honestly, some of the quickshots were taken upside down, since the easiest way to reach the bottom was headfirst. There! was the picture, so I snapped it. It was somewhat uncomfortable and my framing was erratic to say the least.

Which brings me to another point. I do take some care in the framing and composition of my photos, but underwater, this got a little raggedy. There were a *couple* that turned out great, full frame. The stationary subjects were easiest to capture this way, but the fish, they were difficult. So I learned that I could depend on the equipment, in this case the plentiful pixels, and frame and compose by artful cropping. Here my desk. Where I can breathe at my leisure. Much easier, but there is less information in the image. Most of the time, meh.

As I crop and reframe these pictures, they're sometimes enlarged. This has turned out to be something of a disappointment. I have noticed considerable chromatic aberrations, like fringing in areas of high contrast and high magnification. An example of this can be seen in the third puffer picture. Look in the lower right hand corner. There's a dark fish against a light sand background. The colors of the fish can be highly variable, but in this case, the picture is not accurate. I see a definite blue/purple aura to the top of the fish, and a yellowish fringe can be seen along the lower edge of the fish. The fish is just black, though. Those colors are not on the fish, they're just an artifact of the camera/lens/housing/water.

Now that I think about it, this shot, while showing off the puffer, is a good candidate for cropping. I could just clip out that offending tail, and still have an nice composition. Ah well. I used the image for a somewhat different purpose when I posted it.

I spent a lot of time and energy (all voluntarily, willingly, happily) watching and looking and thinking what would make a nice picture. I didn't capture all the shots I saw, but I did enjoy all my time in the water. It really is beautiful.
BigV • Jun 9, 2008 4:43 pm
How about a couple more?

pic01 -- Black urchin on sponge covered rock.

pic02 -- Juvenile Yellowtail Coris, also known as Psychedelic Wrasse. Its juvenile coloration is nothing like the adult coloration.
BigV • Jun 9, 2008 5:19 pm
I love these guys, they're Pencil Urchins. They're brilliant brick red. Usually bright colors mean stay away, but I don't see the same "I will pierce you" attitude here. They look like sea urchins that have been brought to market by a kid's plush toy maker. "Yeah, let's make a little urchin for the little urchins! Ha ha ha!" Downright kid safe. Of course, they're probably poisonous. I like how you can get the white leather upholstery as an option on the second one. :lol:
glatt • Jun 9, 2008 5:36 pm
I like the pencil urchins.
BigV • Jun 9, 2008 6:02 pm
Thanks! Me too.