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Old 08-31-2002, 12:09 PM   #1
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8/31/2002: Meth rage



A scary one, and one that might flame up the gun debates going on elsewhere on the Cellar. Here a Thai gentleman is apparently under the influence of methamphetamines. Having cut himself in a rage, he has now taken a hostage. It ended ok as the authorities overpowered him and freed his hostage.
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Old 08-31-2002, 12:34 PM   #2
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The details of *how* they overpowered him might be germane...as they were in the LSA case.
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Old 08-31-2002, 02:16 PM   #3
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From what I understand, all Meth does is give you boundless amounts of energy and fucks up your body in the process. It doesn't put you into a "rage" and make you cut yourself. So be careful what opinions you form soley from this picture.

I'd be really interested to hear more details in this case. Can anyone provide to the original story?
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Old 08-31-2002, 02:41 PM   #4
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http://www.news.com.au/common/printp...995551,00.html
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Old 08-31-2002, 02:47 PM   #5
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Old 08-31-2002, 02:51 PM   #6
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A plainclothes officer, pretending to be a doctor, stood on a ladder leaning against the balcony and negotiated with Paitoon. He released Patcharaphant inside the house where police took him into custody.
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Old 08-31-2002, 03:36 PM   #7
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Interesting. The story implies that in Thailand, it's quite common for meth heads to snap and take people hostage. That doesn't really square at all with my experiences, though. I wonder if it's some cultural difference?

The story also says he didn't cut himself, he was hit in the head by someone or some thing.

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Old 08-31-2002, 04:40 PM   #8
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Interesting. The story implies that in Thailand, it's quite common for meth heads to snap and take people hostage. That doesn't really square at all with my experiences, though. I wonder if it's some cultural difference?
A web search for "ya ba" yield articles that state that the stuff is cheap and plentiful; what happens at high doses may be outside your experiences. And for being common, it's comon enough that I've seen TV footage of a couple of incidents like this one, althought the drug involved isn't usually identified.

In fact, are we sure this article quoted is describing the same incident as the photograph?

And just for the record, I prefer autoloaders to revolvers.

Harry was carrying a .44 mag on an S&W N-frame, big and heavy, and at nearly 12" overall for the 6.5" barrel, the dickens to conceal. Eastwood had several S&W 629's made up from parts for the films, including one for some shots with an extra long barrel.
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Old 08-31-2002, 05:08 PM   #9
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In fact, are we sure this article quoted is describing the same incident as the photograph?
Yes. The story identifies the victim by the same name, although spelled a bit differently, as the caption used by Reuters for the photo.

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A Thai man high on methamphetamines and covered in blood after cutting himself holds student Patcharapan Tiyawanich, 19, at knifepoint in Bangkok on August 29. After three hours, police overpowered him and freed the hostage. REUTERS/Sukree Sukplang
Edit Note: Actually, there are some real discrepencies in the name of the 19 year old victim as reported by the two news agencies, although the incident appears to be the same circumstances on August 29.

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Old 08-31-2002, 06:36 PM   #11
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Crystal is nasty.
Never seen that kind of stuff though.

Juju, look around his collar bone, there's at least one clear cut, i'm sure if you got a closer look at the area that was his ear you'd find allot more.

Man they really should use pics like this in anti-drug campains.
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Old 08-31-2002, 10:41 PM   #12
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Juju, look around his collar bone, there's at least one clear cut, i'm sure if you got a closer look at the area that was his ear you'd find allot more.
Well, maybe so. But either way, one of the stories is wrong.
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Old 08-31-2002, 10:50 PM   #13
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The story also says he didn't cut himself, he was hit in the head by someone or some thing.
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But either way, one of the stories is wrong.
Actually, both stories could be correct. Although the news report doesn't say that he cut himself, it doesn't say that he didn't cut himself, as you suggest.
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Old 08-31-2002, 11:09 PM   #14
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Users of large amount of amphetamines over a long period of time can develop an amphetamine psychosis, which is a mental disorder similar to paranoid schizophrenia. The psychosis is manifested by hallucinations, delusions, and paranoia. Bizarre, sometime violent, behavior is exhibited by those with amphetamine psychosis. Symptoms usually disappear within a few weeks after drug use stops.
Looks like Maggie was right. I guess I never hung around my friend long enough to see the side effects get really bad.

The thing about it being extremely cheap is true, though. You can get the instructions off the internet, gather a few household items, and make meth in your backyard or garage. All you need is:
<ul>
<li>30ml bottle tincture iodine containing 2% iodine, sodium iodide <li>4%,
alcohol 47%, rest H20
<li> 5 Sinustop Herbal Decongestant tablets containing 60mg crystaline
pseudoephedrine HCl each mixed with some herbal ingrediants. Or 300mg of
ephedrine obtained thru some other method.
<li> 5 road flares.
<li> Bottle of drain cleaner containg conc. H2SO4
<li> Bottle white distilled vinegar
<li> Red devil Lye containing sodium hydroxide
<li> Spray can of brake cleaner containing 1,1,1 trichloroethylene or 1,1,1 trichloroethane
</ul>

You could also blow your face off if you don't know what you're doing. And all this nets you all of these wonderful side effects. But that's why it's so cheap. You don't have to import the shit from Afghanistan or Columba and run it past border guards. You just make it in your fucking garage.

I'm not saying it's good, mind you. I think the shit is terrible. For all I know my friend is dead already. If he's not, he probably will be in a few years.
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Old 08-31-2002, 11:10 PM   #15
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Actually, both stories could be correct. Although the news report doesn't say that he cut himself, it doesn't say that he didn't cut himself, as you suggest.
True. It is extremely vague on what exactly happened to him.
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