Bully Sets Girl's Hair on Fire in School

Lady Sidhe · 05-31-2004, 05:15 PM

This is battery, at the least, and attempted murder, at most. This is what comes from not holding people responsible for their actions. This boy should have been arrested. Yet apparantly nothing was done. Wonder what he's going to eventually end up in jail for? Not only was he carrying a concealed weapon, and threatening her with it, but he set her fucking hair on fire....If I were his mother, I'd send him to jail myself. After I let his father beat his ass.

Sidhe

Bully

Beestie · 05-31-2004, 06:14 PM

C'mon - its a harmless prank.

Lady Sidhe · 05-31-2004, 06:17 PM

Yeah....somebody oughta set his butt on fire. :p

05-31-2004, 06:18 PM

Well, those of us in Colorado (all what? two of us?) also read the Rocky Mountain News which is slightly less sensationalist. Yes the incident did happen, but the knife in question was plastic, not real. School officials are red-faced, admitting the incident was deplorable and the boy who did this HAS been disciplined. The acting principle of the school will probably end up being disciplined as well, for his mishandling of the incident.

Here's what the Rocky Mountain said on its Op-Ed page: "Children can be cruel, of course, but they can also be held to standards, if not of empathy, then decency. But they also need adults around them who live by those standards and who expect them to do the same."

...Long Silence...

Colorado is a state where the disabled are expected to live on $140.00 a month plus $140.00 in food stamps until they are approved for Federal Aid. That's it. Period. End of the discussion. There is NO medical help. With the recent HUD cuts, there is NO help with housing. The waiting period to get on SSI/SSDI in Colorado averages two years or more. Waits of 3, 4, and 5 years are common. I spoke with the local Democratic representative for my area who serves in the Colorado State Legislature about the largely Republican legislature's attitude to the disabled. This man said, and I quote, "The Republican majority in the Colorado legislature don't care about the disabled. The instructions come out from party leaders and they vote the straight party line. They believe that the disabled of Colorado deserve what they get." End Quote.

OK. "minen kinden," here's a little exercise in logic for you. Take a group of people who have become disabled for non-work related reasons. These people are already too ill or too injured to work anymore. Put them out on the streets with $140 a month food stamps and $140 cash a month. Don't help them with the prescriptions they almost certainly need. Don't give them any but the most minimalist medical care. For God's sake, don't give them shelter, or if you must, make sure its in an environment where they are likely to be victimized by crimes such as knifings, rapes, and muggings. Tell these disabled folks to go play nicely out there until the Federal Government calls them to come in and eat a few left over scraps from the dinner table two or three years later.

How many places should you set at the table when that bell finally rings? Hint: All essays returned using the phrase "arbeit macht frie" will be given an automatic "A+".

That kid in Denver was doing to that disabled little girl exactly what the adult world in the state of Colorado had modeled for him. He just hasn't picked up on how to be less blatant about it yet (Yes, I'm back on my soap box. But I LIVED this reality and until it stops being the reality for the disabled in much of this country, I'm not shutting up.).

wolf · 05-31-2004, 06:23 PM

If you want to bitch about the disability/welfare systems in Colorado, start a thread to bitch about it.

Oh wait, you did.

None of that information is relevant to the issue here ... and that is, real knife or no, the bully caused physical injury to the girl and is not being criminally charged.

Toy knives and guns are as restricted by most schools as the real thing. Matches and lighters are also usually banned from school settings, although perhaps not as often as Midol.

Lady Sidhe · 05-31-2004, 06:27 PM

Regardless of whether the knife was real or plastic, it doesn't matter. He still set her hair on fire, and it still could have had tragic consequences. Excusing his behavior because the knife wasn't "real," or rather, implying that the fact that it was plastic is a mitigating factor, is an example of why kids who show violent tendencies end up being adults who follow through on violent tendencies. They aren't made to take responsibility for their actions, so they learn that they can get away with it. Then they get more and more bold and more and more violent, and eventually they end up killing someone because no one ever stopped them before it became lethal. THEN their lawyer says, "but it's not his fault....it's the school's/parent's fault for not stopping him earlier, so...."

I'd've made him wish he'd never seen that girl if he'd been my son. He'd have made a public apology to her, and he wouldn't have seen daylight for months.

There is absolutely NO excuse for his actions. None. Nip the behavior in the bud before it gets a chance to get out of hand, I say. Hell, those "zero-tolerance" schools out there have EXPELLED kids for bringing plastic knives to school.

You can still poke out an eye, you know...

Sidhe

xoxoxoBruce · 05-31-2004, 06:27 PM

Christ, you're getting as bad as TW.

Lady Sidhe · 05-31-2004, 06:35 PM

Huh? If you're referring to me, I have no idea what you mean by that. My opinions on violence haven't changed since I got here....

05-31-2004, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lady Sidhe

There is absolutely NO excuse for his actions. None. Nip the behavior in the bud before it gets a chance to get out of hand, I say. Hell, those "zero-tolerance" schools out there have EXPELLED kids for bringing plastic knives to school.

You can still poke out an eye, you know...

Sidhe

I agree with you 100% that this kid's actions were in excusable. I just wish the sensationalist media would get its facts straight. Its like crying "wolf" (sorry, Wolf, not you, of course), when something awful happens people tend not to believe it because everything has always been blown out of proportion in the past. And hell, you can poke out an eye with a pencil, too. What do the pro-gun people say? "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." I think this slogan is a cop out, but it does make some sense. Sure, we don't want kids bringing weapons to algebra class. Who needs another Columbine? But we need to resolve their motive for WANTING to bring guns to algebra class, as well. We should work on both these things.

And NOW to call Wolf: Wolf, I don't recall starting any thread specifically on the help given by the government to the disabled. Other people have started threads that were close to that and I remember starting that thread which asked a very general question about what is the correct response of a concerned person to percieved wrongs. Did I actually start a thread specifically about the disabled in the first post????? I don't remember it if I did. I guess I'm going to have to back and search through all my threads that I started now to see what I said. And what about Midol, anyhow? If you want to hijack the thread, I'd rather talk about sudafed, personally.

lookout123 · 05-31-2004, 07:23 PM

Quote:

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

guns don't kill people, I kill people.

05-31-2004, 08:37 PM

Eh, I think I'll go kill myself. I'm going to shut up about the whole disability thing - for a minute or two, anyhow. I'm getting as bad as Radar (shudders at the thought)!

richlevy · 05-31-2004, 08:52 PM

Actually, even though he underfunded it like crazy, the "No Child Left Behind Act" probably insures that if the school admits it cannot effectively teach this girl, especially through no fault of hers, then they are going to have to send her, and pay for, someplace that can.

Automatically giving her an 'A' and promoting her won't cut it. Any 5 dollar lawyer can win this one.

mizchulita · 05-31-2004, 09:18 PM

Marichiko, you are sooo right on with your post. Where do we think children get their attitudes from, anyway? Sadly, I have too often seen school administrators take the side of the bully--I think they sometimes view it as the path of least resistance. Of course, it would be nice if schools didn't have to deal with this crap in the first place.

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xoxoxoBruce · 05-31-2004, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lady Sidhe
Huh? If you're referring to me, I have no idea what you mean by that. My opinions on violence haven't changed since I got here....

No, not you.

A couple of posts slipped in there.

05-31-2004, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
No, not you. A couple of posts slipped in there.

Well, that leaves either me or Wolf. Probably me. I know I've been doing a lot or ranting lately (sigh). I just get so upset, but bitching about it is not going to win people over to my side. Sorry. (slinks off).

05-31-2004, 05:15 PM	#1
Lady Sidhe That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.... Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hammond, La. Posts: 978	Bully Sets Girl's Hair on Fire in School This is battery, at the least, and attempted murder, at most. This is what comes from not holding people responsible for their actions. This boy should have been arrested. Yet apparantly nothing was done. Wonder what he's going to eventually end up in jail for? Not only was he carrying a concealed weapon, and threatening her with it, but he set her fucking hair on fire....If I were his mother, I'd send him to jail myself. After I let his father beat his ass. Sidhe Bully __________________ My free will...I never leave home without it. --House Someday I want to be rich. Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be. -Rita Rudner Last edited by Lady Sidhe; 05-31-2004 at 05:18 PM.

05-31-2004, 06:14 PM	#2
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	C'mon - its a harmless prank. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

05-31-2004, 06:17 PM	#3
Lady Sidhe That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.... Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hammond, La. Posts: 978	Yeah....somebody oughta set his butt on fire. :p __________________ My free will...I never leave home without it. --House Someday I want to be rich. Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be. -Rita Rudner

05-31-2004, 06:18 PM	#4
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Well, those of us in Colorado (all what? two of us?) also read the Rocky Mountain News which is slightly less sensationalist. Yes the incident did happen, but the knife in question was plastic, not real. School officials are red-faced, admitting the incident was deplorable and the boy who did this HAS been disciplined. The acting principle of the school will probably end up being disciplined as well, for his mishandling of the incident. Here's what the Rocky Mountain said on its Op-Ed page: "Children can be cruel, of course, but they can also be held to standards, if not of empathy, then decency. But they also need adults around them who live by those standards and who expect them to do the same." ...Long Silence... Colorado is a state where the disabled are expected to live on $140.00 a month plus $140.00 in food stamps until they are approved for Federal Aid. That's it. Period. End of the discussion. There is NO medical help. With the recent HUD cuts, there is NO help with housing. The waiting period to get on SSI/SSDI in Colorado averages two years or more. Waits of 3, 4, and 5 years are common. I spoke with the local Democratic representative for my area who serves in the Colorado State Legislature about the largely Republican legislature's attitude to the disabled. This man said, and I quote, "The Republican majority in the Colorado legislature don't care about the disabled. The instructions come out from party leaders and they vote the straight party line. They believe that the disabled of Colorado deserve what they get." End Quote. OK. "minen kinden," here's a little exercise in logic for you. Take a group of people who have become disabled for non-work related reasons. These people are already too ill or too injured to work anymore. Put them out on the streets with $140 a month food stamps and $140 cash a month. Don't help them with the prescriptions they almost certainly need. Don't give them any but the most minimalist medical care. For God's sake, don't give them shelter, or if you must, make sure its in an environment where they are likely to be victimized by crimes such as knifings, rapes, and muggings. Tell these disabled folks to go play nicely out there until the Federal Government calls them to come in and eat a few left over scraps from the dinner table two or three years later. How many places should you set at the table when that bell finally rings? Hint: All essays returned using the phrase "arbeit macht frie" will be given an automatic "A+". That kid in Denver was doing to that disabled little girl exactly what the adult world in the state of Colorado had modeled for him. He just hasn't picked up on how to be less blatant about it yet (Yes, I'm back on my soap box. But I LIVED this reality and until it stops being the reality for the disabled in much of this country, I'm not shutting up.). Last edited by marichiko; 05-31-2004 at 06:22 PM.

05-31-2004, 06:23 PM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	If you want to bitch about the disability/welfare systems in Colorado, start a thread to bitch about it. Oh wait, you did. None of that information is relevant to the issue here ... and that is, real knife or no, the bully caused physical injury to the girl and is not being criminally charged. Toy knives and guns are as restricted by most schools as the real thing. Matches and lighters are also usually banned from school settings, although perhaps not as often as Midol. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-31-2004, 06:27 PM	#6
Lady Sidhe That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.... Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hammond, La. Posts: 978	Regardless of whether the knife was real or plastic, it doesn't matter. He still set her hair on fire, and it still could have had tragic consequences. Excusing his behavior because the knife wasn't "real," or rather, implying that the fact that it was plastic is a mitigating factor, is an example of why kids who show violent tendencies end up being adults who follow through on violent tendencies. They aren't made to take responsibility for their actions, so they learn that they can get away with it. Then they get more and more bold and more and more violent, and eventually they end up killing someone because no one ever stopped them before it became lethal. THEN their lawyer says, "but it's not his fault....it's the school's/parent's fault for not stopping him earlier, so...." I'd've made him wish he'd never seen that girl if he'd been my son. He'd have made a public apology to her, and he wouldn't have seen daylight for months. There is absolutely NO excuse for his actions. None. Nip the behavior in the bud before it gets a chance to get out of hand, I say. Hell, those "zero-tolerance" schools out there have EXPELLED kids for bringing plastic knives to school. You can still poke out an eye, you know... Sidhe __________________ My free will...I never leave home without it. --House Someday I want to be rich. Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be. -Rita Rudner

05-31-2004, 06:27 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Christ, you're getting as bad as TW. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-31-2004, 06:35 PM	#8
Lady Sidhe That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.... Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hammond, La. Posts: 978	Huh? If you're referring to me, I have no idea what you mean by that. My opinions on violence haven't changed since I got here.... __________________ My free will...I never leave home without it. --House Someday I want to be rich. Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be. -Rita Rudner Last edited by Lady Sidhe; 05-31-2004 at 06:37 PM.

05-31-2004, 08:37 PM	#11
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Eh, I think I'll go kill myself. I'm going to shut up about the whole disability thing - for a minute or two, anyhow. I'm getting as bad as Radar (shudders at the thought)!

05-31-2004, 08:52 PM	#12
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Actually, even though he underfunded it like crazy, the "No Child Left Behind Act" probably insures that if the school admits it cannot effectively teach this girl, especially through no fault of hers, then they are going to have to send her, and pay for, someplace that can. Automatically giving her an 'A' and promoting her won't cut it. Any 5 dollar lawyer can win this one. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

05-31-2004, 09:18 PM	#13
mizchulita Resident-in-Training Join Date: May 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 7	Marichiko, you are sooo right on with your post. Where do we think children get their attitudes from, anyway? Sadly, I have too often seen school administrators take the side of the bully--I think they sometimes view it as the path of least resistance. Of course, it would be nice if schools didn't have to deal with this crap in the first place. http://nervous.typepad.com

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