Utopia: Can or should it exist?

yesman065 · 12-21-2006, 03:20 PM

I've heard the phrases - "Utopia doesn't exist." or "In a perfect world. . . . . "

Is this something we should individually and collectively be working toward or is it truly just a pipe dream - something that has absolutely no chance of happening? thoughts? opinions?

Ibby · 12-21-2006, 03:50 PM

It can't happen, because people suck.

Aliantha · 12-21-2006, 04:39 PM

It can't happen because everyone has a different idea about what Utopia is.

I'm pretty certain my idea of a perfect world would be far different from the perfect world someone like ummm...let's say LJ might dream of.

DanaC · 12-21-2006, 05:00 PM

The trouble with utopian visions is that they have a tendency to demand uniformity. that's the sort of thinking that led to eugenics.

lumberjim · 12-21-2006, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

It can't happen because everyone has a different idea about what Utopia is.

I'm pretty certain my idea of a perfect world would be far different from the perfect world someone like ummm...let's say LJ might dream of.

don't start shit

Aliantha · 12-21-2006, 05:25 PM

Not starting shit. Just making an example from our vastly different views on the way the world should be run.

edit: I could have used many others also, such as Maggie, UG, 9th etc.

Don't be paranoid.

lumberjim · 12-21-2006, 05:30 PM

are you starting shit?

Aliantha · 12-21-2006, 05:31 PM

Grow up LJ. Can't you just leave things alone?

lumberjim · 12-21-2006, 05:32 PM

you must be starting shit

Aliantha · 12-21-2006, 05:33 PM

Do you have opposite political to views or me or not? If not, then I retract my statement.

If so, either respond to the question or stop trying to start shit.

That's all there is to it.

piercehawkeye45 · 12-21-2006, 05:44 PM

First of all, the word utopia itself means that it cannot exist.

u=not + topia=society. utopia=A society that doesn't exist

A Eutopia is a society that is in perfect harmony but the Greek's realized that a perfect society is impossible, so they used utopia and it caught on.

Read "Brave New World" or "1984" for a good view on a dystopia, or a eutopia gone wrong.

lumberjim · 12-21-2006, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Do you have opposite political to views or me or not? If not, then I retract my statement.

If so, either respond to the question or stop trying to start shit.

That's all there is to it.

why is she starting shit?

lumberjim · 12-21-2006, 06:35 PM

ali, you still don't think i'm funny?

JayMcGee · 12-21-2006, 07:08 PM

stop shit-stirrng, LJ

JayMcGee · 12-21-2006, 07:08 PM

..... that's my niche on this board.....

12-21-2006, 03:20 PM	#1
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Utopia: Can or should it exist? I've heard the phrases - "Utopia doesn't exist." or "In a perfect world. . . . . " Is this something we should individually and collectively be working toward or is it truly just a pipe dream - something that has absolutely no chance of happening? thoughts? opinions?

12-21-2006, 03:50 PM	#2
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	It can't happen, because people suck. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

12-21-2006, 04:39 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It can't happen because everyone has a different idea about what Utopia is. I'm pretty certain my idea of a perfect world would be far different from the perfect world someone like ummm...let's say LJ might dream of. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-21-2006, 05:25 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Not starting shit. Just making an example from our vastly different views on the way the world should be run. edit: I could have used many others also, such as Maggie, UG, 9th etc. Don't be paranoid. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-21-2006, 05:30 PM	#7
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	are you starting shit? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-21-2006, 05:00 PM	#4
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	The trouble with utopian visions is that they have a tendency to demand uniformity. that's the sort of thinking that led to eugenics.

12-21-2006, 05:31 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Grow up LJ. Can't you just leave things alone? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-21-2006, 05:32 PM	#9
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	you must be starting shit __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-21-2006, 05:33 PM	#10
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Do you have opposite political to views or me or not? If not, then I retract my statement. If so, either respond to the question or stop trying to start shit. That's all there is to it. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-21-2006, 05:44 PM	#11
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	First of all, the word utopia itself means that it cannot exist. u=not + topia=society. utopia=A society that doesn't exist A Eutopia is a society that is in perfect harmony but the Greek's realized that a perfect society is impossible, so they used utopia and it caught on. Read "Brave New World" or "1984" for a good view on a dystopia, or a eutopia gone wrong.

12-21-2006, 06:35 PM	#13
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	ali, you still don't think i'm funny? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

12-21-2006, 07:08 PM	#14
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	stop shit-stirrng, LJ __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

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