2/22: Burning Valentines

Undertoad · 02-22-2002, 12:42 PM

I should have used yesterday's pic today and today's pic yesterday. But anyway; here we see an activist of the army of the Hindu god Shiva. On Valentine's Day, they burned greeting cards as a protest, saying that the holiday is an insult to the Hindu culture.

In the US, Pat Buchanan is the army of Shiva, going on TV to plug his book which says that our culture is doomed to disappear through similar foreign intrusions.

In a way, then, Mr. Buchanan is useful. As countries around the world complain about the exportation of American culture, we can point to him and say "Look! We have the same kinds of complaint from wackos in our country. They're complaining about YOUR culture. We just put them on TV, then on the ballot, allow them to get their 1%, and the problem goes away."

Cultural change is inevitable. No movement could stop it; it is bigger than all of us. The best approach is to push for the bits that are important to yourself, and as for the rest of it, just don't worry. It doesn't concern you.

Nic Name · 02-22-2002, 03:27 PM

Dubya speaking in China

Quote:

"Diversity is not disorder. Debate is not strife. And dissent is not revolution."

Good one. I hope Ashcroft is taking notes.

That Guy · 02-22-2002, 04:16 PM

I don't see how V-Day is an insult to Hindu culture. Can anyone fill me in?

Nic Name · 02-22-2002, 04:24 PM

Those are UT's words, I think.

The direct quotes published in the press may more accurately describe the protest.

Quote:

Published in CBS News - Indexed on Feb 14, 2002
(AP) Waving religious saffron flags, 20 Hindu nationalists marched to the Indian Parliament on Wednesday and burned Valentine's Day cards, opposing what they called the growing Western cultural influence in India. Describing the cards as obscene because they show young couples embracing and kissing, the protesters demanded a ban on Valentine's Day celebrations in predominantly Hindu India. “I bought some of these cards for 150 rupees each to prove that this is not our culture,” said Jai Bhagwan, chief of the New Delhi unit of the Shiv Sena party.

02-22-2002, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Nic Name
Good one. I hope Ashcroft is taking notes.

That must be the most relevant post I've ever seen. Everything to do with some Hindus burning some Valentine's Day cards.

-1, Retarded.

Torrere · 02-22-2002, 11:34 PM

I remember one night my Dad came over and we watched TV before the November election. Pat Buchanan was speaking at the time. I left the room, and when I came back he was falling over laughing; he wanted to vote for Buchanan simply to watch him fulfill his campaign promises on TV.

"We're gonna tell the United Nations to get out of our country, and if they don't want to, we'll send a thousand Marines to help them pack."

02-23-2002, 12:30 AM

Pat Buchanan is a schmuck. I will never get over the embarassment of being in the same species as him.

Nothing But Net · 02-23-2002, 12:49 AM

Don't worry about it, dham'.

I personally do not consider him an example of our species...

'Homo sapiens' literally means 'enlightened man', and he is obviously in no way enlightened....

Nic Name · 02-23-2002, 12:55 AM

Pat would be the first to tell you he isn't one of them HOMO SAPIENS.

jaguar · 02-23-2002, 01:44 AM

NIc..why here? Its a great quote na dlal but i don't see the relevence. The Irony of bush saying that is jsut delicious though - don't you love the way you can preach one thing to those evil commie places while terrorising "dissidents" at home?

Bah, its called globalisation, we've been nicking bits of eastern culture for centuaries, cultre change, get over it.
Sad thing is - this comes down once again to religious fundamentalism. What can i say?

Quote:

Religion is primitive. Please evolve, the rest of us are waiting.

Shiva was a nice fellow, love this quote.

Quote:

I have become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.

dasviper · 02-23-2002, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nic Name
“I bought some of these cards for 150 rupees each to prove that this is not our culture,” said Jai Bhagwan, chief of the New Delhi unit of the Shiv Sena party.

And as we all know, purchasing a product is the surest way to discourage its production and sale.

02-23-2002, 04:15 PM

it's actually...

if the radiance of a thousand suns
were to burst at once into the sky,
that would be like the splendor of the mighty one...
i am become death
the shatterer of worlds.

russotto · 02-25-2002, 10:23 PM

Oppenheimer said "destroyer". And I'm sure the original wasn't in English anyway, leaving plenty of room for translation differences.

02-25-2002, 10:48 PM

As far as I can tell, there is debate about whether he said "shatterer" or "destroyer". Regardless, what he said is immaterial - he didn't make it up. Of course the original isn't in English, but from what I've read, it translates most directly into "shatterer". Whatever. That wasn't the whole point of the post. The other was that it's not "I have become" - it's "I am become."

No point in arguing it though.

02-22-2002, 12:42 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	2/22: Burning Valentines I should have used yesterday's pic today and today's pic yesterday. But anyway; here we see an activist of the army of the Hindu god Shiva. On Valentine's Day, they burned greeting cards as a protest, saying that the holiday is an insult to the Hindu culture. In the US, Pat Buchanan is the army of Shiva, going on TV to plug his book which says that our culture is doomed to disappear through similar foreign intrusions. In a way, then, Mr. Buchanan is useful. As countries around the world complain about the exportation of American culture, we can point to him and say "Look! We have the same kinds of complaint from wackos in our country. They're complaining about YOUR culture. We just put them on TV, then on the ballot, allow them to get their 1%, and the problem goes away." Cultural change is inevitable. No movement could stop it; it is bigger than all of us. The best approach is to push for the bits that are important to yourself, and as for the rest of it, just don't worry. It doesn't concern you.

02-23-2002, 12:49 AM	#8
Nothing But Net Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 1,481	Don't worry about it, dham'. I personally do not consider him an example of our species... 'Homo sapiens' literally means 'enlightened man', and he is obviously in no way enlightened.... Last edited by Nothing But Net; 02-23-2002 at 12:53 AM.

02-22-2002, 04:16 PM	#3
That Guy He who reads, sometimes writes. Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: at the keyboard Posts: 791	I don't see how V-Day is an insult to Hindu culture. Can anyone fill me in?

02-22-2002, 11:34 PM	#6
Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	I remember one night my Dad came over and we watched TV before the November election. Pat Buchanan was speaking at the time. I left the room, and when I came back he was falling over laughing; he wanted to vote for Buchanan simply to watch him fulfill his campaign promises on TV. "We're gonna tell the United Nations to get out of our country, and if they don't want to, we'll send a thousand Marines to help them pack."

02-23-2002, 12:30 AM	#7
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Pat Buchanan is a schmuck. I will never get over the embarassment of being in the same species as him.

02-23-2002, 12:55 AM	#9
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	Pat would be the first to tell you he isn't one of them HOMO SAPIENS.

02-23-2002, 04:15 PM	#12
dave Guest Posts: n/a	it's actually... if the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one... i am become death the shatterer of worlds.

02-25-2002, 10:23 PM	#13
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Oppenheimer said "destroyer". And I'm sure the original wasn't in English anyway, leaving plenty of room for translation differences.

02-25-2002, 10:48 PM	#14
dave Guest Posts: n/a	As far as I can tell, there is debate about whether he said "shatterer" or "destroyer". Regardless, what he said is immaterial - he didn't make it up. Of course the original isn't in English, but from what I've read, it translates most directly into "shatterer". Whatever. That wasn't the whole point of the post. The other was that it's not "I have become" - it's "I am become." No point in arguing it though.

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