Installing redhat 7.0 woes

That Guy · 02-07-2002, 04:31 PM

So I borrowed this RH7.0 disk from a buddy and installed it. Everything came up fine. I set the IP of the machine to 192.168.50.3 and the gateway to 192.168.50.1 (my d-link firewall router -- kicks ass). I have a Win2k box set to 192.168.50.4 with its DNS set to 127.0.0.1 (don't ask me how, but it works -- I also use RR for my cable provider).
The Linux box was kicking ass until I realized I didn't install any of the development suite (I guess I forgot to check that box in setup). Instead of installing manually, I figured I'd just go back and reinstall since it only took 30 minutes beforehand. Now that I finally got everything I need, the damn thing won't bring up my NIC. All I get when I do it manually is "Delaying eth0 initialization." Nothing points me to believe the NIC is going bad -- I even tested it with the 3COM driver package from a bootable DOS prompt. The card is a 3c509 ISA. I tried to set the IRQ to 3 (as it is programmed on the card) from netcfg.
Any ideas why RH refuses to bring up this card now? I haven't found anything in the dmesg other than the error above.

Undertoad · 02-07-2002, 04:41 PM

Check the contents of

/etc/sysconfig/network

and more importantly

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0

The latter ought to look something like this:

DEVICE="eth0"
BOOTPROTO="none"
BROADCAST="192.168.50.255"
IPADDR="192.168.50.3"
NETMASK="255.255.255.0"
NETWORK="192.168.50.1"
ONBOOT="yes"

The former:

NETWORKING=yes
HOSTNAME=something
GATEWAY=192.168.50.1

My guess: the second installation blew away the setup in preparation for the install, but decided later that the package was already installed and didn't need to be re-installed, and so didn't run the configuration script.

Or something.

Undertoad · 02-07-2002, 04:45 PM

One more thing, what comes up if you enter "ifconfig"?

02-07-2002, 05:01 PM

/sbin/ifconfig, more precisely.

Also, paste the output of this command:

cat /proc/modules

juju · 02-08-2002, 04:22 AM

You should also make sure the 3c509 driver is loaded. I forget the name of it, but you should be able to find it out pretty easily on google. Just type 'lsmod' to list the currently loaded kernel modules. If it's not in the list, then type 'insmod <modulename>' and the module will be loaded.

Nic Name · 02-08-2002, 10:37 AM

I know that Linux just wants to be free, but isn't it funny when folks call for help with a thread that starts ...

Quote:

So I borrowed this RH7.0 disk from a buddy and installed it.

Maybe you could borrow a Red Hat manual from a buddy, if you can find one who actually bought a copy?

Undertoad · 02-08-2002, 11:00 AM

It doesn't just WANT to be free, it IS free, and the standard RH install manual doesn't cover this kind of thing. The idea is that RH sells support and would answer this question, but you don't need it if you have a bunch of friendly Linux-heads sitting around waiting for a question like this.

Having spent two years in Unix tech support I would wager that our support is better than any pro support for this particular kind of question. For some other kinds of questions, paid support is better (especially where someone has to talk you through a procedure, step by step, on the phone).

Nic Name · 02-08-2002, 11:07 AM

RH Linux isn't free, and it doesn't want to be free. But I thought that one of the points of differentiation between linux re-sellers is their installation wizards, ease of set-up, and manuals, as well as support.

So, if it's all so bad at Red Hat, why borrow RH 7.0? Just get linux free on the Internet.

If I wanted to get free linux, what software solution should I borrow?

That Guy · 02-08-2002, 11:28 AM

yup, yup, yup.. Did all that.
ifconfig told me that the broadcast was loopback, and the mask was 255.255.255.0, though i need 255.255.248.0. hmph.
lsmod -a didn't help either. It claims the mods are all there, and I don't see anything incorrect from netcfg.
I'll have to check up on Tony's suggestion when I get home tonight. I'll keep you all posted on my progress as I figure out the problem (unless it's something extremely minor, which will force me to make up an elaborate story about my HW config).
Thanks to all with the exception of Nic, the instigator.

Undertoad · 02-08-2002, 11:34 AM

RH Linux isn't free if you buy it. But it's free as in licensing, so once you've got it, you're free to share it with whomever you like or to install it on however many systems as you like.

That Guy · 02-08-2002, 11:39 AM

In the lab where I used to work, we would place orders for several people at once to RH. This didn't come with any fancy packaging or manuals, just the CD. 2$ was the price for RH6.2. That covered their manufacturing costs plus S&H. I doubt they made enough to go public on a deal like that.
You can also d/l any package you like from redhat.com for <i>free</i>. The manuals on the site (including the HOW-TO guides) are also <i>free</i>.

Nic Name · 02-08-2002, 11:40 AM

I'm not really sure of the business model of RHAT-Q.

That Guy · 02-09-2002, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nic Name
I'm not really sure of the business model of RHAT-Q.

It's called the open-source business model. They're making quarterly expectations, and expect to see a profit sometime this year.

02-09-2002, 02:59 PM

I liked a troll I saw one time on Slashdot.

Open Source Business Model

1) Write Free Software
2) ?????
3) PROFIT!

Hahahahahaha.

Nic Name · 02-09-2002, 03:31 PM

The 2nd stage ???? used to be IPO, but that's a big ? these days.

While we might laugh now, RedHat founder Bob Young laughed all the way to the bank with RedHat's IPO. Even his aunt who gave him about $5,000 startup money got stock worth about $40 million in return.

I think she had a gut feeling that this money was taken from the public, and would have been an unjust enrichment to her ... so she gave it to charity. ALL OF IT. Nice lady.

Joyce Young, Bob Young's aunt gives $40 million from RedHat (RHAT) stock to Hamilton Community Foundation... WAY TO GO!...

'President Carolyn Milne said the donation increases the foundation's asset base to more than $73 million and will allow it to double the $2 million a year it hands out to 200 local organizations, including arts groups, homeless shelters, the Royal Botanical Gardens, and a program for young single mothers.'

02-07-2002, 04:31 PM	#1
That Guy He who reads, sometimes writes. Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: at the keyboard Posts: 791	Installing redhat 7.0 woes So I borrowed this RH7.0 disk from a buddy and installed it. Everything came up fine. I set the IP of the machine to 192.168.50.3 and the gateway to 192.168.50.1 (my d-link firewall router -- kicks ass). I have a Win2k box set to 192.168.50.4 with its DNS set to 127.0.0.1 (don't ask me how, but it works -- I also use RR for my cable provider). The Linux box was kicking ass until I realized I didn't install any of the development suite (I guess I forgot to check that box in setup). Instead of installing manually, I figured I'd just go back and reinstall since it only took 30 minutes beforehand. Now that I finally got everything I need, the damn thing won't bring up my NIC. All I get when I do it manually is "Delaying eth0 initialization." Nothing points me to believe the NIC is going bad -- I even tested it with the 3COM driver package from a bootable DOS prompt. The card is a 3c509 ISA. I tried to set the IRQ to 3 (as it is programmed on the card) from netcfg. Any ideas why RH refuses to bring up this card now? I haven't found anything in the dmesg other than the error above.

02-08-2002, 11:07 AM	#8
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	RH Linux isn't free, and it doesn't want to be free. But I thought that one of the points of differentiation between linux re-sellers is their installation wizards, ease of set-up, and manuals, as well as support. So, if it's all so bad at Red Hat, why borrow RH 7.0? Just get linux free on the Internet. If I wanted to get free linux, what software solution should I borrow? Last edited by Nic Name; 02-08-2002 at 11:10 AM.

02-07-2002, 04:41 PM	#2
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Check the contents of /etc/sysconfig/network and more importantly /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 The latter ought to look something like this: DEVICE="eth0" BOOTPROTO="none" BROADCAST="192.168.50.255" IPADDR="192.168.50.3" NETMASK="255.255.255.0" NETWORK="192.168.50.1" ONBOOT="yes" The former: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME=something GATEWAY=192.168.50.1 My guess: the second installation blew away the setup in preparation for the install, but decided later that the package was already installed and didn't need to be re-installed, and so didn't run the configuration script. Or something.

02-07-2002, 04:45 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	One more thing, what comes up if you enter "ifconfig"?

02-07-2002, 05:01 PM	#4
dave Guest Posts: n/a	/sbin/ifconfig, more precisely. Also, paste the output of this command: cat /proc/modules

02-08-2002, 04:22 AM	#5
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	You should also make sure the 3c509 driver is loaded. I forget the name of it, but you should be able to find it out pretty easily on google. Just type 'lsmod' to list the currently loaded kernel modules. If it's not in the list, then type 'insmod <modulename>' and the module will be loaded.

02-08-2002, 11:00 AM	#7
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It doesn't just WANT to be free, it IS free, and the standard RH install manual doesn't cover this kind of thing. The idea is that RH sells support and would answer this question, but you don't need it if you have a bunch of friendly Linux-heads sitting around waiting for a question like this. Having spent two years in Unix tech support I would wager that our support is better than any pro support for this particular kind of question. For some other kinds of questions, paid support is better (especially where someone has to talk you through a procedure, step by step, on the phone).

02-08-2002, 11:28 AM	#9
That Guy He who reads, sometimes writes. Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: at the keyboard Posts: 791	yup, yup, yup.. Did all that. ifconfig told me that the broadcast was loopback, and the mask was 255.255.255.0, though i need 255.255.248.0. hmph. lsmod -a didn't help either. It claims the mods are all there, and I don't see anything incorrect from netcfg. I'll have to check up on Tony's suggestion when I get home tonight. I'll keep you all posted on my progress as I figure out the problem (unless it's something extremely minor, which will force me to make up an elaborate story about my HW config). Thanks to all with the exception of Nic, the instigator.

02-08-2002, 11:34 AM	#10
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	RH Linux isn't free if you buy it. But it's free as in licensing, so once you've got it, you're free to share it with whomever you like or to install it on however many systems as you like.

02-08-2002, 11:39 AM	#11
That Guy He who reads, sometimes writes. Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: at the keyboard Posts: 791	In the lab where I used to work, we would place orders for several people at once to RH. This didn't come with any fancy packaging or manuals, just the CD. 2$ was the price for RH6.2. That covered their manufacturing costs plus S&H. I doubt they made enough to go public on a deal like that. You can also d/l any package you like from redhat.com for <i>free</i>. The manuals on the site (including the HOW-TO guides) are also <i>free</i>.

02-08-2002, 11:40 AM	#12
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	I'm not really sure of the business model of RHAT-Q.

02-09-2002, 02:59 PM	#14
dave Guest Posts: n/a	I liked a troll I saw one time on Slashdot. Open Source Business Model 1) Write Free Software 2) ????? 3) PROFIT! Hahahahahaha.

02-09-2002, 03:31 PM	#15
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	The 2nd stage ???? used to be IPO, but that's a big ? these days. While we might laugh now, RedHat founder Bob Young laughed all the way to the bank with RedHat's IPO. Even his aunt who gave him about $5,000 startup money got stock worth about $40 million in return. I think she had a gut feeling that this money was taken from the public, and would have been an unjust enrichment to her ... so she gave it to charity. ALL OF IT. Nice lady. Joyce Young, Bob Young's aunt gives $40 million from RedHat (RHAT) stock to Hamilton Community Foundation... WAY TO GO!... 'President Carolyn Milne said the donation increases the foundation's asset base to more than $73 million and will allow it to double the $2 million a year it hands out to 200 local organizations, including arts groups, homeless shelters, the Royal Botanical Gardens, and a program for young single mothers.'

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