PA budget

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Flint

Hyperbole.

Douchebag

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Flint

Hyperbole. Try describing things this way in a meeting at work and see if your boss ever takes you seriously again.

This from the guy who said

Originally Posted by Flint

Be that as it may, I'll be goddamned if Spex and his ilk are going to give away MY table scraps.

Hyperbole, hypocrisy, and a straw man argument.

[Flint]

Guess this thread is about done. Thanks for "being you," sport.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

This from the guy who said



Hyperbole, hypocrisy, and a straw man argument.

Curious. From what I can tell, this is the standard m.o.


I got my handbook at sign up.

Chapter 1
"Please be snarky, use circular logic and for gots sake, use haggis as much as possible and never, ever stay on topic."

I hate haggis, so I fail at that, but I'm pretty well versed, as we all are, at the other requirements.

[Flint]

I don't know anything about you.

Well, to the limited extent that any of us are able to express ourselves via textual exchange, I could speculate.

But I don't.

[classicman]

From your own link.

And even though CEO pay is increasing, it’s still below 2007 levels. “Given the years of pay decreasing, there’s a certain amount of catch-up to get pay back to where it was in 2007,” says Paul Hodgson of GovernanceMetrics.

Also, the rising stock market was one of the biggest drivers of CEOs’ hefty windfall in 2010

Terry Madonna, a political scientist at Franklin and Marshall College in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, said part of the political backlash Immelt faces stems from the fact GE Capital received U.S. government debt guarantees during the financial crisis. It left the debt program in 2009.

On the tax issue, Madonna said the problem "seems to me to be inherent in the tax code."

I believe we need to severely reduce the corporate tax rate from the current 35% and eliminate a lot of the loopholes. Add to that - reductions for keeping and investing here in the US and penalizing for moving jobs elsewhere.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

I believe we need to severely reduce the corporate tax rate from the current 35% and eliminate a lot of the loopholes.

Extremists always hype that 35% tax rate. Forget to mention what most of the Fortune 500 actually pays. Somewhere about 7%. Many (ie GE) have been paying no taxes. GE will pay no taxes this year. Previously posted were so many large companies who pay no taxes over many years.

Yes, loopholes are a problem. But those promoting a corporate tax reduction always forget that part so that the rich will keep getting richer.

The average American from 2000 to 2008 saw his income drop 2%. And then the resulting recession hit. A recession created by mismanagement such as tax cuts and other money games. And made even worse by tax laws intended only to enrich the elite at the expense of people who actually create jobs.

Routine is for major companies to pay little or zero taxes. We have the laws that will happen when we elect political extremists - not the pragmatists and moderates.

Appreciate how dumb the Democratic Party was. Because those extremists would not even cooperate with Obama, then most moderate Democrats lost their elections. Left were only extremist Democrats to deal with a Republican party already dominated by extremists. Lies about taxes - the 35% corporate tax rate - is simply another example of what extremists do to enrich themselves at the expense of America.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

From your own link.

My bold. I present links that don't just show my point of view, unlike some people around here.

Fair enough. CEO pay is still below 2007 level. What was that level? Have CEOs had to radically modify their lifestyles? Could they continue to pay their children's college tuition? Were they able to afford health insurance? Did they lose their homes? Think of the comparison you're making and what you're defending. State workers, teachers, in PA will lose their jobs. Middle class income (I think this means you and me) has been stagnant for 20 years. Do you really want me to feel sorry for CEOs, and think that it justifies middle class people losing their jobs?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I present links that don't just show my point of view, unlike some people around here.

Backhanded shot at anyone in particular?

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Think of the comparison you're making and what you're defending.

Where was I defending anyone? I was just showing some additional info for those who don't look at links.

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Do you really want me to feel sorry for CEOs, and think that it justifies middle class people losing their jobs?

I couldn't care less who you feel sorry for - that has nothing to do with this.